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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers Charles W. Anderson and the 15th Air Force - Oct. 8th, 2003
http://www2.gvsu.edu/~vandelej/part1.html ^ | Leslie VanderMeulen

Posted on 10/07/2003 11:59:56 PM PDT by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.


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My Grandfather's Story
by Leslie VanderMeulen


Leslie VanderMeulen is a student at Grand Valley State University. For a semester project, she chose to research her grandfather's military career.

Charles Waldo Anderson, my grandfather, served in World War II, a war that altered his life forever. I have never had the privilege of meeting this man, but have been told his story many times. Gentle, shy, intelligent, fun loving, easy-going, a good sense of humor are words and phrases that characterized my grandfather’s personality before the war. Unfortunately, his experiences during the war had lasting effects, and after returning home he was not the same. I am not at all surprised that he changed in light of his time in war; many men with many different stories changed after they faced war.


Charles Anderson served as a tail gunner in the 15th Army Air Force, 463rd Bomb Group, 772nd Bomb Squadron during World War II. On February 13, 1945 his plane was shot down, and he spent the rest of the war as a POW in several camps.


A young Charles planned to enlist in the Army on a Monday in 1942. It is fortunate that he wanted to join, because he received enlistment papers before he went down to sign up. He departed for St. Louis, Missouri, only twenty-one and recently married. For six months he went through basic training in St. Louis, then (in February 1943) he went to Las Vegas, Nevada for gunnery training. In May of that year he joined his flight crew and departed for Sioux City, Iowa where they underwent combat training. After graduating from combat training, his flight crew picked up their plane in Nebraska and proceeded to their final destination: Foggia, Italy, which remained their home for the duration of the war.



In Foggia, and anywhere troops are stationed during wartime, the soldiers lived in humble quarters, to say the least. All soldiers of every rank slept in tents on the ground at camp. However, my grandfather’s crew used their ingenuity and made their stay as comfortable as possible. One night they took the rations of whiskey, which they received periodically, into town where they sold it and bought basic building supplies. When they returned to camp they built a small house, and when everyone woke up in the morning, they saw this little building in the middle of camp. Simply built of brick with a roof on top, it was a humble house. Nevertheless, my grandfather and his crew had the best sleeping quarters of any of the soldiers.


Camp in Foggia, Italy.


Though the crews tried to make the best out of life in the camp, wartime certainly did not consist of fun and games. My grandfather’s flight crew performed many missions during their time in Foggia. The crew was part of the15th Army Air Corps, specifically in the 463rd Bomb Group, 772nd Bomb Squadron, where my grandfather did his job as a tail gunner on their B-17. A tail gunner’s job is to shoot from the rear of the plane. Their final mission took place on February 13, 1945. This mission included bombing Vienna, Austria, and proved to be quite unsuccessful. The plane received a shot in the fourth engine, causing the third engine to catch on fire. This sent the plane crashing down in flames, and the entire crew bailed out at 15,000 feet. The report sent to my grandmother regarding the crash stated “plane sighted going down in flames – no parachutes sighted”.



My grandfather experienced a stroke of luck that day which saved his life. After he bailed out of the plane he landed in a tree, while his crewmembers landed on the ground. When Viennese civilians found six of the crew members, my grandfather watched them lynch his friends right there. The civilians took this action because German soldiers had convinced them that the Air Corps planned to bomb their villages and homes, thus they were very angry at these soldiers. German soldiers did find my grandfather’s extra pair of shoes that had fallen off his belt when they went to look for survivors. However, seeing no footprints in the snow, they concluded that this man must be dead. Lucky for my grandfather, they did not look up to see him sitting there in a bare tree.


Tail Gunner position on a B-17


In a report taken after the war, my grandfather stated that he evaded capture for three days, but a farmer turned him in, and he was then taken to Weiner Neustadt Airfield, Austria. Held there from February 16 to March 5, he then encountered interrogation for two days (March 8-10). After the interrogation, he was transported to three more camps. From March 12 through 16 he stayed at Dulagluft, March 18 through April 4 held at Nuremberg, and from April 4 to 29 at Moosburg.

My grandfather never spoke to his children about the treatment at the camps. All that he did say is that they were given very little to eat, so that they would be too weak to fight back. Most imprisoned soldiers involuntarily participated in prison detail, which consisted of any hard labor that could be found to keep the prisoners occupied. Most of this work done outside the camps, thus the Army Air Corps could not participate. Airmen could not perform prison detail because of the angry civilians, who attempted to harm them. If the men in the Air Corps attempted to work outside the prison, civilians tried to throw stones and such at them.



Civilians also abused soldiers during their marches between camps by throwing stones and rocks at them. The walked to and from camps or railcars must have been terrifying. Not only targeted by civilians, my grandfather and fellow soldiers incurred bombing by their own men in a few instances. While on a 100-mile march to Munich, they feared for their lives as their own planes dropped bombs on them. The soldiers faced more bombing by American planes when held locked in boxcars for three days in the Nuremberg Rail Yards. In this situation, the men stood cramped in the small cars with no room to sit, no food, water, or sanitation. The soldiers probably faced more danger between camps, whether walking or on trains, than actually in the camps.

The treatment that my grandfather and his fellow prisoners received was certainly inhumane. The situation did improve in a few instances, however, and that is how they knew the end of the war neared. Food rations increased, and the prisoners began to receive better treatment from the guards. The prisons also removed some guards from their posts who previously mistreated prisoners. This occurred because when the war ended and U.S. troops came in, they asked the soldiers who had mistreated them. These guards got taken out and immediately shot.


Charles W. Anderson


Luckily for my grandfather, his plane was shot down towards the end of the war, therefore was only held as a prisoner of war for a short time. After the war ended, he headed for Camp Lucky Strike in France, where he would be sent to London, and then home. However, he caught the mumps in France, hence he was detained in the hospital for three weeks. By the time he was on the way home, my grandmother finally received word that he had been accounted for. On July 11, 1945 he returned home for good.



Honorably discharged from the Army on September 25, 1945, my grandfather received several medals including a Prisoner of War Medal, an American Campaign Medal, a World War II Victory Medal, and a Purple Heart. Hearing all of this, I wonder how he felt about his experience in the war and how it ended. Since he rarely talked to his kids about it, all I can guess from is the ways in which his personality changed after he returned. Instead of easy-going and gentle, he became a man with an unpredictable temper, not much respect for authority, and a bitterness about him. Obviously this change stemmed from his time during the war, perhaps as a result of seeing and enduring too much in not very many years.



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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
Morning Glory Snip & Sam~

Wonderful read . . . bring back "12 o'clock High".

41 posted on 10/08/2003 8:00:04 AM PDT by w_over_w (Today is the first day that Grayout Davis begins to disappear like a fart in the wind.)
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To: SAMWolf
Germany became the first nation in the world to adopt an old-age social insurance program in 1889, designed by Germany's Chancellor, Otto von Bismarck.

Something I remeber reading years ago(I forget the source) Bismarck brought together a group of statisticians and asked them when the average worker died. After crunching the numbers the answer they came up with was 64. So old Otto gets up and announces that from now on at age 65 the state will provide a pension to every worker for the rest of his life. And that's why we have 65 as the retirement age.

42 posted on 10/08/2003 8:00:15 AM PDT by Valin (I have my own little world, but it's okay - they know me here.)
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To: SAMWolf
I never knew the tail gunner kneeled. Learn something new everyday.
43 posted on 10/08/2003 8:01:46 AM PDT by Valin (I have my own little world, but it's okay - they know me here.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Good morning friend. I will be out of freep range until 20/10/2003 suffering the hardships of Hawaii. One of my granddaughter's was born in Hawaii (mother is Hawaiian). Traditionally, the first birthday is a grand celebration with a sitdown dinner for relatives and friends.

I will be on some today, however, I fly out tomorrow.

When I go to Hawaii, I always spend time at Pearl. Last time there, my son (ex-navy fire controllman on the tomahawk cruise missle) and I toured the Missouri. He took me into where his station would have been and showed me where he would sit. On the keyboard he pointed out a key was covered over with black tape. He told me under the tape, the key said "Authorize Nuclear" (or something similar). He also said it took direct okay from the President and two keys, neither of which he held.

Lord bless you all and keep you safe.

44 posted on 10/08/2003 8:24:12 AM PDT by bedolido (I can forgive you for killing my sons, but I cannot forgive you for forcing me to kill your sons)
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To: SAMWolf
I certainly hope Leslie got an "A."
45 posted on 10/08/2003 8:33:09 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: radu
Love your graphic!
46 posted on 10/08/2003 8:34:46 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: SAMWolf
Good story today SAM. I learned something new.

Oxygen deprivation was a serious problem and was the cause for many aircrew casualties.

I hadn't really thought about that before. Thanks.

47 posted on 10/08/2003 8:39:03 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Skylight
Thank you Skylight. Take pictures! Oh the hardships of Hawaii, LOL. I almost didn't recognize you, still getting used to the new name.

Have a safe trip and we expect a full report when you return, especially about Pearl Harbor.

My mother was a WAVE and stationed at Ford Island during the war as an Aviation Machinist Mate.
48 posted on 10/08/2003 8:42:51 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Since this is a thread about a student paper, is it OK if I brag a little about my favorite student, Samwise Jr.?

Her 6th grade class analyzes the “Quote of the Week,” which appears in the weekly newsletter. Her teacher picks a famous quote, and the students have to write about what it means to them. She came home from school so tickled because the quote of the week was “Some things are worth fighting for no matter what!”

The author--Samwise Jr. Apparently, her teacher played “Have You Forgotten” and the kids had a class discussion about Bush, Iraq, the Left, etc. and Jr. expressed her opinion.
49 posted on 10/08/2003 8:55:45 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Samwise
That's wonderful. You can brag about her any day here at the Foxhole. She sure is being brought up right!
50 posted on 10/08/2003 9:13:33 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: w_over_w
Good morning w/w. I remember that show.

It's where I first understood what it meant to say a certain position was at 12 o'clock high or at 3 o'clock, etc.
51 posted on 10/08/2003 9:17:04 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; Valin
Forgive me if this has already been posted. My daughter sent this to me this morning.

At Walter Reed Medical Center in Washington, DC recently, the Sergeant Major of the Army, Jack Tilley, was with a group of people visiting the wounded soldiers. He saw a Special Forces soldier who had lost his right hand and suffered severe wounds of his face and side of his body.

The Sergeant Major wanted to honor him and show him respect without offending, but what can you say or do in such a situation that will encourage and uplift? How do you shake the right hand of a soldier who has none?

He decided to act as though the hand was not missing and gripped the soldier's wrist while speaking words of comfort and encouragement to him.

But there was another man in that group of visitors who had even brought his wife with him to visit the wounded who knew exactly what to do.

This man reverently took the soldiers stump of a hand in both of his hands, bowed at the bedside and prayed! for him. When he finished the prayer he stood up, bent over the soldier and kissed him on the head and told him that he loved him. What a powerful expression of love for one of our wounded heroes! And, what a beautiful Christ-like example!

What kind of a man would do such a thing? It was the wounded man's Commander-in-Chief, George W. Bush, President of the United States.

This story was told by the Sergeant Major at a Soldiers Breakfast held at Redstone Arsenal, AL, and recorded by Chaplain James Henderson, stationed there.
52 posted on 10/08/2003 9:31:45 AM PDT by bedolido (I can forgive you for killing my sons, but I cannot forgive you for forcing me to kill your sons)
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To: Skylight
What a powerful expression of love for one of our wounded heroes! And, what a beautiful Christ-like example!

H.U.A.!

Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

~I Cor. 15:58

53 posted on 10/08/2003 9:44:04 AM PDT by w_over_w (Today is the first day that Grayout Davis begins to disappear like a fart in the wind.)
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To: Skylight
Thank you skylight, I just realized I promised to update the ping list with your new name and didn't. I'm going to do it right now. Sorry.
54 posted on 10/08/2003 10:03:51 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: w_over_w
Hi w_over_w.

12 O'clock High - Good Flick. You want to see a heartbreaker see if you can find "All the Fine Young Men" a Discovery Channel documentary about the B-17 and the 8th Air Force.
55 posted on 10/08/2003 10:05:55 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Practiss makes perfict.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
The air force lost 229,544 aircraft from July 1940 through August 1945, while 52,173 of the 115,382 men injured in combat died.

What a sacrifice.

The 15th Air Force was the outfit Ambrose wrote about in "The Wild Blue" as I recall. The Eighth Air Force, based in Britain, seems to have hogged most of the press.

Twelve O'Clock High is an outstanding movie. At one time it was shown to students at the Harvard Business School regarding effective leadership and management techniques.

56 posted on 10/08/2003 10:06:05 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Oddball: "A . . . tank can give you an . . . edge.")
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To: Valin
That's the story I heard too.
57 posted on 10/08/2003 10:06:38 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Practiss makes perfict.)
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To: Skylight
Oh, that story brought a tear to my eye. That the Dims aim such vitriol at such a good and decent man sure speaks volumes about the kind of men they are.
58 posted on 10/08/2003 10:07:38 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Oddball: "A . . . tank can give you an . . . edge.")
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To: Valin
Can you imagine having to kneel for the better part of 12 to 13 hours of a mission? Only thing worse is being crammed into a Ball Turret
59 posted on 10/08/2003 10:07:57 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Practiss makes perfict.)
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To: SAMWolf
I rented Band of Brothers last weekend. Amazing and moving stories based on actual events.
60 posted on 10/08/2003 10:09:39 AM PDT by bedolido (I can forgive you for killing my sons, but I cannot forgive you for forcing me to kill your sons)
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