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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Battle of Camden (8/16/1780) - Sep. 23rd, 2003
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Posted on 09/23/2003 12:11:01 AM PDT by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.


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The Battle of Camden

Background: The British Campaign


British Lt. General Sir Henry Clinton had arrived in South Carolina in March and had undertaken a deliberate approach to the city of Charleston, South Carolina. He had been a part of the failed attack on Charleston in June 1776. On that occasion, the British had chosen a naval approach and attacked Fort Sullivan. Clinton had learned from that mistake and this time slowly isolated the city by land. On April 14, at the Battle of Monck's Corner, Lt. Colonel Banastre Tarleton cut off the last line of communication for Maj. General Benjamin Lincoln, Continental commander of Charleston.

On May 12, 1780, General Lincoln surrendered Charleston. Five thousand Continental soldiers became prisoners of war and enormous stores of munitions were lost. After the victory, General Clinton sailed north back to New York City leaving Lt. General Charles Cornwallis in command. Clinton's orders to Cornwallis were simple: he was to hold the port cities of Charleston and Savannah, Georgia firmly under British control. He could carry on operations in the backcountry any way he wished, as long as he maintained control of those two cities.


Plan of the Battle of Camden, 16 August 1780


On May 29, 1780, at Waxhaws, Lt. Colonel Tarleton caught up with a small Continental force retreating to North Carolina. Colonel Abraham Buford had turned back after learning that General Lincoln had surrendered. With that defeat, the lone remaining Continental force in the South was at Deep River, North Carolina. Maj. General Baron De Kalb and over a thousand Maryland and Delaware Continentals had left Morristown, New Jersey on April 16 with orders from General George Washington to reinforce General Lincoln. They had made it to North Carolina, when word of Charleston's surrender reached them. De Kalb had halted and made camp, while awaiting new orders from Washington.

Background: Horatio Gates - The Hero of Saratoga


Even before General Lincoln surrendered Charleston, the Continental Congress had chosen his replacement as Continental Commander of the Southern Department. General Washington had recommended Maj. General Nathanael Greene for the command, but Congress instead chose Maj. General Horatio Gates. Gates had been lobbying Southern congressmen through a stream of letters, he began lobbying southern congressmen. On May 7, the Continental Congress chose Gates to replace General Lincoln. On June 13, Gates received word of his appointment and left for the South immediately. On July 25, 1780, Gates arrived at the Deep River camp and took command from General de Kalb.


General Horatio Gates


General Gates immediately ordered that the army be prepared to march at a moment's notice, in spite of the deplorable condition of the force. On July 27, he set out with his army for Camden, South Carolina. Camden was central to controlling the back country of South Carolina because of its crossroads location near the Wateree River and the Catawba (Indian) Trail. Gates had chosen a direct march to Camden through difficult, swampy terrain over the advice of his officers who were familiar with the area. They had recommended a route that would have started out west, then turned south. It was more indirect, but was a route through Patriot-friendly regions, which meant food and supplies. Not only was the route that Gates had chosen more difficult, but it was through unfriendly territory.

Background: Marching Armies


Sometime after July 27, Francis Marion joined Maj. General Horatio Gates' army. Gates now met Marion and his band of militia for the first time and found their appearance so shabby that it was a distraction to the regulars. He took little time in detaching Marion with orders to gather intelligence on the movements of the British. During the march, Gates sent Lt. Colonel William Washington and his cavalry away, because he did not think cavalry would be of use in the South.


Francis Marion


General Gates also weakened his force during this time by sending 400 men, including 100 Maryland regulars to assist Thomas Sumter, who had requested reinforcements to conduct his own raids. It appears that Gates' original strategy was to use Marion and Sumter to cut off Camden's supply lines from the south. This action would leave Camden vulnerable and force the British to evacuate their garrison without a fight.


Colonel Lord Rawdon


General Gates had counted on Lt. General Charles Earl Cornwallis remaining in Charleston. Camden was held by a garrison of about 700 men under Lt. Colonel Lord Rawdon. However, on August 9, General Cornwallis received word from Lord Rawdon of General Gates' approach and he immediately set out for Camden, arriving on August 13. Meanwhile, Gates had found the going difficult and anticipated supplies had not turned up along the route. The men had ended up eating green apples and peaches.


Lt. General Charles Earl Cornwallis


On August 15, General Gates issued orders for a night approach to Camden. The evening's meal had been topped off with a dessert of molasses that had dire effects on the digestion of the men. At the same time, General Cornwallis had ordered a night march in preparation for an early morning attack on Gates at Rugeley's Mill. As Gates' Continental force marched south on the evening of the 15th, men often broke ranks as the molasses took its stomach churning effect.

At about 2:00 A.M. on August 16, 1780, General Gates' Continental force General Cornwallis' British force literally ran into each other on the Waxhaws road about ten miles from Camden. The forward cavalry screens of Continental Colonel Charles Armand and Lt. Colonel Tarleton clashed and skirmished in the dark. The cavalry was pushed back into the marching columns causing confusion until 100 Virginia state troops maintained formation and steadied the Continentals.



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To: Valin
1990 PBS begins an 11 hour miniseries on The Civil War



Well worth seeing.

21 posted on 09/23/2003 6:55:17 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline has been cruelly tested on cute little furry animals.)
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To: SAMWolf
Good morning SAM. *big smile*

Thank you.
22 posted on 09/23/2003 6:55:55 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: bedolido
Thanks bedolido.

Duty, Honor, Country still means something to some people.
23 posted on 09/23/2003 6:57:12 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline has been cruelly tested on cute little furry animals.)
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To: bedolido
"Ah", the fighter pilot remarked, "The dreaded Seven Engine approach".

LOL! Three good stories, thanks for the laughs this morning.

24 posted on 09/23/2003 7:00:54 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline has been cruelly tested on cute little furry animals.)
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To: bedolido
Good morning bedolido.

Thank you for posting these. We had heard about the story of the guards at Arlington, aren't the people in our Armed Forces wonderful!

I hadn't read the other two so thank you for posting all three at the Foxhole.
25 posted on 09/23/2003 7:36:13 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
good morning new friend. Have a great day.
26 posted on 09/23/2003 7:38:48 AM PDT by bedolido (I can forgive you for killing my sons, but I cannot forgive you for forcing me to kill your sons)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; PhilDragoo; Johnny Gage; Victoria Delsoul; Darksheare; Valin; ...
For your consideration
Chief WIggles collecting toys for Iraqi children
Chief Wiggles Blog ^ | 9-23-03 | Chief Wiggles


Posted on 09/23/2003 6:21 AM CDT by TomB


For those of you who read Chief Wiggles' blog, he is an American serviceman in Iraq, doing interrogations and intelligence. The other day he posted a touching story about giving a few simple items to an Iraqi girl, and her reaction. Well so many people asked about sending toys to him to distribute, they set up an address where you can send them.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987586/posts

27 posted on 09/23/2003 7:57:26 AM PDT by Valin (If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
Morning Glory Snip & Sam~

Very fascinating read . . . my God, the cumbered burden that Gates would live with.

BTW, I'm glad that Clinton went on to Yorktown . . . I really try to skip the parts of American history that involve Clinton. ;^)

28 posted on 09/23/2003 7:59:57 AM PDT by w_over_w (I golf therefore I swear.)
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To: Valin
Thanks Valin.

Went and read Chief Wiggles blog. Some good stuff there. He's a good writer.
29 posted on 09/23/2003 8:07:31 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline has been cruelly tested on cute little furry animals.)
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To: w_over_w; SAMWolf

DeKalb statue on the grounds of the Maryland Statehouse

De Kalb was born in Huettendorf, Bavaria, on June 19, 1721. This peasants' son later learned French, English, and sufficient social skills to obtain a substantial military commission in the Lowendal Regiment of the French army. He served with this unit throughout the War of Austrian Succession. In 1763, at the battle of Wilhelmstahl, he won the Order of Military Merit that gave him his baronic title.

Five years later, he traveled to America on a secret mission for France to determine the extent of colonial discontent there. With his protégé, the Marquis de Lafayette, De Kalb went to America again in 1777. They joined the Continental Army. De Kalb served in an administrative capacity. During the spring of 1780, he received his first field command. He led the American army to relieve the besieged Charleston, South Carolina. At the battle of Camden later that summer, he was mortally wounded and captured by the British. De Kalb died on August 18, 1780.

30 posted on 09/23/2003 8:08:03 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: w_over_w
Good morning w_over_w

I really try to skip the parts of American history that involve Clinton

Amazing how tha name inspires such animosity no matter who holds it. The name has been forever ruined for me. The High School ROTC Commander is Col. Clinton and I have a hard time talking to him and seeing that name on his uniform.

31 posted on 09/23/2003 8:10:21 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline has been cruelly tested on cute little furry animals.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Thanks for the bio on De Kalb, Snippy.
32 posted on 09/23/2003 8:11:28 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline has been cruelly tested on cute little furry animals.)
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To: Valin
1962 ABC's 1st color TV series-The Jetsons

Right! Rorge!

33 posted on 09/23/2003 8:12:46 AM PDT by w_over_w (I golf therefore I swear.)
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To: SAMWolf
No thanks necessary, but you're welcome.

As I was reading the thread this morning, DeKalb just kind of jumped off the page and I wanted to know more. Thought I'd share it with you and our readers. :)
34 posted on 09/23/2003 8:42:43 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
I'm in.
*bounces about the room*
35 posted on 09/23/2003 8:45:30 AM PDT by Darksheare (It's all part of a vast Rightwing Tagline Conspiracy.)
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To: Darksheare
Morning Darksheare. Want the job as Foxhole Bouncer?
36 posted on 09/23/2003 8:46:28 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline has been cruelly tested on cute little furry animals.)
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To: bedolido; SAMWolf
I remember reading about the SR-71's "Inlet Unstart".
A pilot said that it starts out with a buzzing sound on teh side of the craft that is experiencing inlet spike control problems.
The backseater has to switch to manual inlet control and correct the problem.

If he doesn't do it fast enough, the engine flamesout and the Blackbird responds by trying to fly sideways.
A quote from it "It'll get your attention."
A mild understatement, it throws your head all over the cockpit like an insane pingpong ball.
37 posted on 09/23/2003 8:51:58 AM PDT by Darksheare (It's all part of a vast Rightwing Tagline Conspiracy.)
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To: SAMWolf
Bouncer?
Hmm..
What does it entail?
*said while flying by*
38 posted on 09/23/2003 8:53:10 AM PDT by Darksheare (It's all part of a vast Rightwing Tagline Conspiracy.)
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To: Darksheare
Good question. We've never needed one here. Should be an easy job.
39 posted on 09/23/2003 8:54:32 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline has been cruelly tested on cute little furry animals.)
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To: SAMWolf
Collecting toys for Iraqi children

I'm thinking Something like this serves two purposes
1 lets our troops in Iraq know that we are paying attention to the good work they are doing
2 lets the people of Iraq know we care about them as people. No better way to get to a parent than through their children.
Plus as an extra added bonus it will make you feel real good.
40 posted on 09/23/2003 8:55:18 AM PDT by Valin (If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?)
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