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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Malmedy Massacre (12/17/1944) - Sep. 2nd, 2003
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Posted on 09/02/2003 12:00:25 AM PDT by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
.

FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.


God Bless America
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The Malmedy Massacre


The incident which became known as "the Malmedy Massacre" happened at the Baugnez Crossroads in the Ardennes Forest in Belgium on December 17, 1944, the second day of fighting in the famous Battle of the Bulge, where American troops suffered 81,000 casualties, including 19,000 deaths, in one of the bloodiest battles of World War II. The German army suffered 70,000 casualties with 20,000 dead in the month-long battle, which didn't stop even for Christmas Day. It was during this decisive battle that a number of American soldiers were taken prisoner by Waffen-SS soldiers who were fighting in the battle group named Kampfgrüppe Peiper, which was spearheading the German attack.



The photograph above shows some of the 72 bodies which were recovered after they were left lying in the snow until January 13, 1945, four weeks after they were killed. The reason given by the US Army QM unit which eventually retrieved the bodies was that there was still heavy fighting in the area, which was not true, according to American soldiers who participated in the fighting in the vicinity of the Massacre. According to one veteran of the battle, an American Infantry Captain who is now deceased, the alleged massacre was a cover-up to explain why the US Army waited four weeks to collect combat fatalities after they had been notified about the bodies by local Belgian citizens. Another 12 bodies were recovered four months later after all the snow had melted, making a total of 84 victims.

On the day of the incident, Peiper's assignment had been to capture the bridge over the Muese in the Belgian town of Huy, and hold it to the last man until General Dietrich's 6th Panzer Army could cross over it, then rush across the northern Belgian plain to take the great supply port of Antwerp, which was the main objective of Hitler's Ardennes Offensive. Hitler had personally picked the route that Peiper was to take, but heavy artillery fire from the 2nd US Infantry Division had forced him to take an alternative route through the tiny village of Malmedy, close to the Baugnez Crossroads.



Peiper's Battle Group never reached its objective, which was the bridge over the Muese. Many of Peiper's tanks were destroyed by the Allies, and after Peiper ordered his men to destroy the remaining tanks and vehicles, the survivors escaped by wading and swimming across the river. Peiper's men were forced to retreat on foot, at a killing pace, on Christmas Eve 1944. Out of the 5,000 men in Peiper's unit, only 800 survived the Battle of the Bulge. Almost one out of ten of the survivors was indicted as a war criminal by the victorious Allies.

The Baugnez Crossroads was known to the Americans as Five Points because it was the intersection of 5 roads. There is considerable disagreement about what actually happened at Five Points on that Sunday afternoon in 1944 when the blood of American soldiers was spilled in the snow. The victims were members of Battery B of the 285th Field Artillery Observation Battalion. The function of this lightly-armed technical unit was to locate enemy artillery and then transmit their position to other units. No two accounts of the tragedy agree, not even on the number that were killed. The official report said 86 were shot and there are 86 names on the Memorial Wall that has been erected at the site, but the Malmedy Massacre trial was based on the murder of the 72 soldiers whose bodies were autopsied after they were recovered on January 13, 1945, buried under two feet of snow.

According to the story that was pieced together by the American survivors, Peiper's assault unit had destroyed around a dozen American army spotter planes that day and had captured a group of American soldiers, who had been forced to ride along as Peiper's men continued down the road on their tanks. At the crossroads, the German tanks caught up with the American soldiers of Battery B, 285th Battalion which had just left the village of Malmedy and were traveling the same road, bound for the same destination. At the crossroads, a US Military Policeman, Homer Ford, was directing traffic as a column of artillery vehicles, led by Lt. Virgil Lary, passed through the intersection, headed for the nearby village of St. Vith.



A five-minute battle ensued in which approximately 50 Americans were killed. Some of the Americans tried to escape by hiding in the Cafe Bodarme at the crossroads, but Peiper's SS soldiers set the cafe on fire and then heartlessly gunned down those who tried to run out of the building. Survivors of the massacre said that the SS soldiers then assembled those who had surrendered after the battle in a field beside the Cafe. There were three eye-witnesses to the event: the owner of the Cafe, Madame Bodarme, a 15-year-old boy and a German-born farmer, Henri Le Joly. None of these witnesses were called to testify at the military tribunal in Dachau.

According to Charles Whiting in his book entitled The Traveler's Guide to The Battle for the German Frontier, "The Americans huddled in a field to the right of the pub, some of them with their hands on their helmets in token of surrender; others smoking and simply watching the SS armor pull away, leaving their POWs virtually unguarded. It was so quiet that Mme Bodarme and Le Joly came out of hiding to watch what was going on."

Peiper's tank unit continued down the road, after leaving behind a few SS men to guard the prisoners. Legend has it that Lt. Col. Peiper, who had an excellent command of the English language, passed the scene and called out to the American prisoners, "It's a long way to Tipperary." According to Whiting's book, Peiper had heard that an American General was in the next village and he was on his way to capture him. General Dwight D. Eisenhower mentioned in his autobiography, "Crusade in Europe," that there was some concern among the American generals about being captured, although he didn't mention Peiper by name.


Lt. Col. Jochen Peiper


At the Dachau proceedings, Lt. Virgil Lary was able to identify Pvt. 1st Class Georg Fleps, a Waffen-SS soldier from Rumania, who allegedly fired the first two shots with his pistol. Some versions of the story say that he fired a warning shot in the air when several prisoners tried to make a run for it. Other versions say that he deliberately took aim and shot one of the Americans. Panic ensued and the SS soldiers then began firing upon the prisoners with their machine guns. The survivors testified that they had heard the order given to kill all the prisoners: "Macht alle kaputt." According to the testimony of three survivors who played dead, the SS murderers were laughing as they walked among the fallen American soldiers and shot those who still showed signs of life. The autopsies showed that 41 of the Americans had been shot in the head and 10 had head injuries consistent with being bashed with a rifle butt. Curiously, most of the victims were not wearing their dog tags, although all of them were identified by their personal effects, since there were no wallets or watches taken by the Germans.


1st. Lt. Virgil Lary points out Sturmmann Georg Fleps


Private Georg Fleps, who is shown in the photograph above, was sentenced to death by hanging, but his sentence was commuted to life in prison. Forty-two of the accused were sentenced to death, but all the sentences were commuted to life after a Congressional investigation determined that there had been misconduct by members of the prosecution team.

The photograph below shows one of the survivors, an American soldier named Kenneth Ahrens, on the witness stand as he demonstrates how he held up his hands to surrender. Seated beside him is the interpreter who was responsible for translating his words into German for the benefit of the accused.


Kenneth Ahrens demonstrates how he surrendered


The exact number of soldiers who surrendered to the Germans is unknown, but according to various accounts, it was somewhere between 85 and 120. After the captured Americans were herded into the field at the crossroads, they were allegedly shot down by Waffen-SS men from Peiper's Battle Group in what an American TV documentary characterized as an orgy motivated by German "joy of killing." Forty-three of the Americans taken prisoner that day managed to escape and lived to tell about it. Seventeen of the survivors ran across the snow-covered field, and made their way to the village of Malmedy where they joined the 291st Engineer Battalion.

The massacre occurred at approximately 1 p.m. on December 17th and the first survivors were picked up at 2:30 p.m. on the same day by a patrol of the 291st Engineer Battalion. Their story of the unprovoked massacre was immediately sent to General Eisenhower, the Supreme Allied Commander of the war in Europe, who made it a point to disseminate the story to the reporters covering the battle. One of the news reporters at the Battle of the Bulge was America's most famous writer, Ernest Hemingway, who was covering the war for Collier's magazine. When the gory details of the Malmedy Massacre reached the American people, there was a great outcry for justice to be done. To this day, the Malmedy Massacre is spoken of as the single worst atrocity perpetrated by the hated Waffen-SS soldiers.

The Inspector General of the American First Army learned about the massacre three or four hours after the first survivors were rescued. By late afternoon that day, the news had reached the forward American divisions. In his book , entitled "The Ardennes, The Battle of the Bulge," Hugh Cole wrote the following:

Thus Fragmentary Order 27 issued by Headquarters, 328th Infantry on 21 December for the attack scheduled for the following day says: "No SS troops or paratroopers will be taken prisoners but will be shot on sight."



In his book called "The Other Price of Hitler's War: German Military & Civilian Losses Resulting from WW 2," author Martin Sorge wrote the following regarding the events that took place after the massacre:

"It was in the wake of the Malmedy incident at Chegnogne that on New Year's Day 1945 some 60 German POWs were shot in cold blood by their American guards. The guilt went unpunished. It was felt that the basis for their action was orders that no prisoners were to be taken."

Today, there are also "deniers" such as disgraced historian, David Irving, who claim that there was no massacre at all, and that these American soldiers were killed in a battle with the Germans which took place at the crossroads.

Some of the SS men, who were convicted by the American Military Tribunal at Dachau, are still alive, but they tend to keep a low profile because even now, 58 years after the incident at the crossroads, they are afraid of losing their pensions or suffering reprisals if they speak out. The following description was given recently by a member of the 2nd SS Panzer Division of the Leibstandarte Hitler Jugend, who was convicted and sentenced to prison, together with a number of his comrades, for his involvement in the Malmedy Massacre. For obvious reasons, he wishes to remain anonymous. The following is his account:



"Our tanks were coming under American fire; the leading Tank was hit and its crew bailed out; the following tanks pushed it off the road and we kept going; a few kilometers on, a small group of (approximately 14) American infantrymen surrendered to us and they laid down their weapons. We radioed back to tell the troops behind us to gather up the American POWs and one of our soldiers was left behind to guard them.

A short while later we got a call from our Infantry to say they had arrived at the scene to pick up the American POWs and had come under heavy fire; apparently the Americans who had previously surrendered had jumped and killed the soldier left to guard them and, together with more Americans that had arrived in the meantime, had laid an ambush for the SS that came to pick them up. Colonel Peiper sent some Tanks and ground troops back to assist.

A heavy battle ensued, with hand-to-hand combat, whereby heavy casualties were taken on both sides. The Germans won the battle and gathered up their dead and wounded leaving the bodies of the Americans. It was later claimed the Americans killed in hand-to-hand combat were "beaten to death" by the SS, which is true, except it occurred in battle and not after they were captured.

When the war ended, I was arrested along with the remaining members of my regiment and put on trial by the Americans. All of us were kept in cells with no lights and when we were taken out of the cells they put sacks over our heads and we were beaten almost daily. The men in my regiment who had taken part in the battle at the crossroads were tortured very badly; they had their noses broken and their testicles were crushed and they were beaten until they signed confessions that they had massacred the Americans. These men were sentenced to death.

Because I had not been at the crossroads battle, but at the front a few kilometers away, I was given 20 years hard labor instead of the death sentence; even the crew of the tank that had been hit first and left kilometers behind were given 20 year sentences.

It wasn't until an American Judge later discovered that the confessions had been tortured out of my comrades that many of the sentences were reduced."



SS Lt. Heinz Tomhardt listens as his death sentence is read


The photograph above show a very young German SS soldier, as the death sentence is read to him while his defense attorney, Lt. Col. Willis M. Everett, stands on the right.



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On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on September 02:
1838 Queen Lydia Kamekeha Liliuokalani last queen of Hawaii (1891-93)
1839 Henry George land reformer/writer (Progress & Poverty)
1850 Albert Spaulding baseball player/founded Spaulding sports company
1850 Eugene Field author/journalist (Little Boy Blue)
1853 Wilhelm Ostwald Germany, physical chemist (Nobel 1909)
1856 Yang Hsiu-ch'ing commander in chief of the Taiping Rebellion
1866 Hiram Johnson (Gov-Progressive-Cal)
1884 Frank Laubach Benton Pa, educator, taught reading through phonetics
1901 Adolph Rupp, basketball coach at the University of Kentucky who achieved a record 876 victories.
1904 Vera Vague [Barbara Jo Allen], NYC, actress (Follow the Leader)
1916 Dorothy May Bundy-Cheney winner of more than 141 US tennis titles
1916 Penny Santon Greenwich Village NY, actress (Roll Out, Matt Houston)
1917 Cleveland Amory Nahant Mass, conservationist/TV reviewer (TV Guide)
1918 Allen Drury author (Advise & Consent-1960 Pulitzer Prize)
1918 Martha Mitchell wife of Attorney General John Mitchell
1919 Marge Champion LA Calif, dancer (Marge & Gower Champion Show)
1925 Ronnie Stevens London England, actor (Rodney-Dick & the Duchess)
1927 Trudi Jochum-Beiser Austria, downhill skier (Olympic-gold-1952)
1931 Alan K Simpson (Sen-R-Wyo)
1936 Joan Kennedy 1st wife of Mass Senator, Ted
1937 Peter Ueberroth organized 1984 LA Olympics/baseball commissioner
1940 Beverly Sanders Hollywood Calif, actress (Lotsa Luck, CPO Sharkey)
1940 Jimmy Clanton Baton Rogue, La, rock vocalist (Just a Dream)
1943 Glenn Sather NHL coach (Edmonton Oiler)
1944 Claude Nicollier Vevey Switzerland, astronaut (STS 61-K, sk: 46)
1948 Sharon Christa Corrigan McAuliffe teacher/astronaut (Challenger)
1948 Terry Bradshaw NFL QB (Pittsburgh Steelers)
1951 Mark Harmon Burbank Calif, actor (Dr Caldwell-St Elsewhere)
1951 Michael Gray Chicago Ill, actor (Ronnie-Brian Keith Show)
1952 Jimmy Connors tennis brat (US Open-78,82,83 Wimbledon-74,82)
1955 Linda Purl Greenwich Ct, actress (Gloria-Happy Days, Matlock)
1958 Marlene Janssen Rock Island Ill, playmate (Nov, 1982)
1960 Eric Dickerson Texas, NFL halfback (LA Rams, Indianapolis Colts)
1964 Keanu Reeves actor (Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure)
1969 Mark Brettschneider Cincinnati Oh, actor (Jason-One Life to Live)



Deaths which occurred on September 02:
1384 Louis I, duke of Anjou/king of Naples (Battle of Poitiers)
1547 Hernan Cortes Spanish general defeated Aztec Indians
1937 Baron Pierre de Coubertin revivor of Olympics, dies at 74
1969 - President Ho Chi Minh of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam dies of a heart attack
1970 Allan Walker actor/writer (Red Buttons Show), dies at 64
1973 John R R Tolkien, British story writer
1982 Jay Novello actor, dies of cancer at 78


Reported: MISSING in ACTION

1963 CRUZ RAPHAEL STOCKTON CA.
[GROUP BURIAL? REM RET 10/30/96]
1963 MC KINNEY NEIL BERNARD MUNCIE IN.
[LAST RADIO CONTACT VIC ZB061805 REM RET 10/30/96]
1963 PURCELL HOWARD PHILIP LANSDOWNE PA.
[LAST RADIO CONTACT VIC ZB061805 REM RET 10/30/96]
1965 COLLINS JAMES Q. CONCORD NC.
02/12/73 RELEASED BY DRV INJURED, ALIVE AND WELL 98]
1967 BENNETT WILLIAM G. BIRMINGHAM AL.
[SURVIVAL UNLIKELY]
1972 GREENWOOD ROBERT R. JR. PORTSMOUTH VA.
1972 HEROLD RICHARD W. PLATTSBURGH NY.
1972 WOOD WILLIAM C. JR. PARIS TN.

POW / MIA Data & Bios supplied by
the P.O.W. NETWORK. Skidmore, MO. USA.



On this day...
490 -BC- Phidippides runs 1st marathon, seeking aid from Sparta vs Persia
31 -BC- Battle of Actium; Octavian defeats Antony, becomes Emp Augustus
0911 Viking monarch Oleg of Kiev, Russia signs treaty with Byzantines
1192 Sultan Saladin & King Richard the Lion Hearted sign cease fire
1620 The Mayflower sets sail from Plymouth with 102 Pilgrims.
1666 Great Fire of London starts; destroys St Paul's Church
1752 Last day of Julian calendar in Britain, British colonies
1789 US Treasury Department established by Congress
1806 A side of Rossberg Peak collapses into Goldau Valley Switz, kills 500
1859 Gas lighting introduced to Hawaii
1864 Union General William T Sherman captures Atlanta
1894 Forest fires destroy Hinckley Minnesota: about 600 die
1898 Lord Kitchener retakes Sudan for Britain
1898 Machine gun 1st used in battle
1901 VP Theodore Roosevelt advises, "Speak softly & carry a big stick"
1919 Communist Party of America organized in Chicago
1924 Rudolf Friml's "Rose Marie" opens to rave reviews in NYC
1927 Rumour starts that Yankee Lou Gehrig will be traded to Tigers
1930 1st non-stop airplane flight from Europe to US (37 hrs)
1935 A hurricane slams the Florida Keys killing 423
1936 1st transatlantic round-trip air flight
1944 Anne Frank (Diary of Anne Frank), is sent to Auschwitz
1944 During WW II, George Bush ejects from a burning plane
1945 Ho Chi Minh declares Vietnam independence from France (National Day)
1945 V-J Day; formal surrender of Japan aboard USS Missouri (WWII ends)
1946 Johnny Neun replaces Bill Dickey as Yankee manager
1949 Fire in riverfront area kills 1,700 (Chungking China)
1954 Hurricane Edna batters NE US, killing 20
1956 Collapse of a RR bridge under a train kills 120 (India)
1956 Orioles trailing Red Sox 8-0 come back to win 11-10 in 9 innings
1956 Washington-Jackson cable line replaced by bus service
1957 Milwaukee Braves' Frank Torre scores 6 runs in 1 game
1956 Tennessee National Guardsmen halt rioters protesting the admission of 12 African-Americans to schools in Clinton.
1963 Alabama Gov George C Wallace prevents integration of Tuskegee HS
1963 CBS & NBC expand network news from 15 to 30 minutes
1964 Norman Manley scores 2-consecutive holes-in-one at Del Valley, Cal
1971 Cesar Cedeno hits an inside-the-park grand slammer
1972 Chicago White Sox Milt Pappas no-hits SD Padres, 1-0
1973 Billy Martin fired as manager of Tigers
1978 George Harrison marries Olivia
1978 Graham Salmon set the worlds record for 100 meters by a blind man
1978 John McClain performs 180 outside loops in an airplane over Houston
1978 Reggie Jackson is 19th player to hit 20 HR in 11 straight years
1983 Yitzhak Shamir (Herut) endorsed by Menachem Begin for Israelli PM
1986 Cathy Evelyn Smith sentenced to 3 years for death of John Belushi
1987 Donald Trump takes out a full page NY Times ad lambasting Japan
1987 Kevin Bass is 1st NLer to switch hit HRs in a game twice in 1 season
1987 West German pilot Mathias Rust, who flew a private plane from Helsinki Finland, to Moscow's Red Square, goes on trial in Russia
1988 Amnesty International's Human Rights Now! tour begins in Wembley
1989 Rev Al Sharpton leads a civil rights march through Bensonhurst
1991 Jerry Lewis' 26th Muscular Dystrophy telethon raises $45 Million



Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Vietnam : Independence Day (1945)
Namibia, South Africa : Settlers' Day ( Monday )
US, Canada, Guam, Virgin Islands : Labor Day (1894) ( Monday )
USA : National Sleepwalking Day.
International Gay Square Dance Month




Religious Observances
Luth : Commemoration of Bp Nikolai Grundtvig, renewer of the Church
Old Catholic : Feast of St Stephen, 1st King of Hungary
Christian : Feast of St William, English bishop, apostle to Danes
RC : Commem of Bl Andre Grasset, Canadian Holy Cross brother
Ang : Feast of the martyrs of New Guinea



Religious History
1758 The first Anglican service of worship to be held on Canadian soil was led by Rev. Robert Wolfall at Frobisher Bay, on Baffin Island.
1784 English clergyman Thomas Coke, 37, was consecrated, the first "bishop" of the Methodist Episcopal Church, by founder John Wesley. Coke afterward journeyed to America, where he and Francis Asbury oversaw Methodism in the Colonies.
1930 While a missionary in the Philippines, American linguistic pioneer Frank Laubach wrote in a letter: 'God is always awaiting the chance to give us high days. We so seldom are in deep earnest about giving him his chance.'
1949 English apologist C.S. Lewis wrote in a letter: 'God, who foresaw your tribulation, has specially armed you to go through it, not without pain but without stain.'
1973 Death of J.R.R. Tolkien, 81, English Christian language scholar and novelist. His 1954-55 "Lord of the Rings" trilogy describes a war between good and evil in which evil is routed through courage and sacrifice.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Thought for the day :
"Etiquette tip: More people will get out of your way if you say "I'm gonna puke!" than if you say "Excuse me."


You might be a Yankee if...
you don't know anyone with two first names (i.e. Joe Bob, Billy Bob, Bubba Kay Bob, Bob Bob)


Murphys Law of the day...(Gumperson's Law)
The probability of anything happening is in inverse ratio to its desirability.


Cliff Clavin says, it's a little known fact...
The ashes of the average cremated person weigh nine pounds.


21 posted on 09/02/2003 5:50:24 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: Valin
1973 Death of J.R.R. Tolkien, 81, English Christian language scholar and novelist.

Frodo Lives! (or so my old bumpersticker used to say)

22 posted on 09/02/2003 6:50:39 AM PDT by thatdewd ("Oh boy, sleep! That's where I'm a viking!" - Ralph Wiggum)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Darksheare
Good morning everyone.
23 posted on 09/02/2003 7:05:38 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; tmprincesa; Darksheare
Oh Boy!! I can't wait for Friday!

In the meantime, looks like the rest of us will be having fun. Maybe the ROTC guys at U of P can join in and learn something...hmmmm?
24 posted on 09/02/2003 7:16:36 AM PDT by HiJinx (The Right person, in the Right place, at the Right time...)
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To: thatdewd
Frodo Lives! (or so my old bumpersticker used to say)

He still does over at The Hobbit Hole 4

Look for the adventure of Flat FRodo.

25 posted on 09/02/2003 7:22:40 AM PDT by Prof Engineer (HHD - Blast it Jim. I'm an Engineer, not a walking dictionary.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; All
Morning!
26 posted on 09/02/2003 7:59:04 AM PDT by thatdewd ("Oh boy, sleep! That's where I'm a viking!" - Ralph Wiggum)
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To: Prof Engineer
He still does over at The Hobbit Hole 4

14,000+ posts! Lawd have mercy! (looks kewl, I'll definitely check it out)

27 posted on 09/02/2003 8:01:54 AM PDT by thatdewd ("Oh boy, sleep! That's where I'm a viking!" - Ralph Wiggum)
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To: thatdewd
14,000+ posts! Lawd have mercy! (looks kewl, I'll definitely check it out)

Hobbit Hole 3 maxxed out at 65,535 posts.

The latest Flat FRodo is at post 13,961. Enjoy

28 posted on 09/02/2003 8:16:05 AM PDT by Prof Engineer (HHD - Blast it Jim. I'm an Engineer, not a walking dictionary.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
Morning Glory Snip and Sam~

Bump for later . . . Sam have a great brake. Come back with a good joke!

29 posted on 09/02/2003 8:48:49 AM PDT by w_over_w (You can fight SPAM . . . never order a McRibb sandwich.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; tmprincesa
Enjoy your time off, while you are "creating a special Foxhole"

Welcome tmprincesa, I'm sure all the regulars (and myself) will conduct ourselves.. *cough cough* will the greatest of politeness. *cough *cough. and that the daily threads will *cough *cough* maintain their usual progress *cough* (gotta swallow the soda, not breathe it... yeah that's the ticket)

Rofl

30 posted on 09/02/2003 8:59:23 AM PDT by Johnny Gage (Have you ever thought about a world without Hypothetical Situations??)
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Recieved in email..... in case some haven't seen it, it is neat.

Angel Decoy

Photos of an Air Force C-130 releasing flares to repel heat seeking missiles. The pattern formed by these "decoys" are how they got their name... 'angel decoy'.

It's truly awesome!

Because maneuvers are usually in remote areas and over water, the general public does not get to see these exercises.


31 posted on 09/02/2003 9:37:50 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (21 days to go..... And whither then? I cannot say)
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To: Prof Engineer
Hiya here! You are talking 'bout silly ole us over here huh? - Wow.... ~grin~

I hardly ever get over here, but thought they might like the Angel decoy MBY sent me!
32 posted on 09/02/2003 9:39:53 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (21 days to go..... And whither then? I cannot say)
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To: aomagrat
Thanks aomagrat.
33 posted on 09/02/2003 12:48:41 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: manna; Valin; HiJinx; thatdewd; Prof Engineer; *all
Hello, everyone. SAM and I arrived at our secret base camp and are working diligently. LOL.

Just dropping in to catch up and say we are ok. I'll turn this Cantina computer over to SAM now and we'll see you all when we can. Otherwise, see you all on Friday's thread.

34 posted on 09/02/2003 12:54:03 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: aomagrat
HMS Neptune was the first British Battleship to be able to fire all ten of her 12-inch guns broadside, by allowing the two wing turrets to fire across deck

That had to be an interesting layout of the turrets.

35 posted on 09/02/2003 12:58:57 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Pray for our troops)
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To: Valin
1945 V-J Day; formal surrender of Japan aboard USS Missouri (WWII ends)

Amazing what a couple of nukes can accomplish.

36 posted on 09/02/2003 1:00:15 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Pray for our troops)
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To: w_over_w
Come back with a good joke!

You mean I have to bring Snippy back?????? OUCH!! OUCH!!! Quit hitting me Snippy!!

37 posted on 09/02/2003 1:01:52 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Pray for our troops)
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To: Johnny Gage
Be nice to tmprincesa! I need her to post for two days. don't go scaring her off!!
38 posted on 09/02/2003 1:02:43 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Pray for our troops)
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To: HiJinx; *all
The only thing Snippy is "working diligently" on is a couple of Coronas at the bar while I'm posting this. :-)
39 posted on 09/02/2003 1:04:29 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Pray for our troops)
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To: SAMWolf
SamWolf,

You mean I'm not your favouite poet any more???

sniff
40 posted on 09/02/2003 1:05:12 PM PDT by Soaring Feather (Poetry lives in me and me through it. I say teacher.)
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