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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Siege of Khe Sanh - Dec. 10th, 2002
http://www.willpete.com/siege.htm ^ | Maj Mark A. Swearengen, USA

Posted on 12/10/2002 5:38:58 AM PST by SAMWolf

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SIEGE - "Forty days at Khe Sanh"


"While the battle is over, the lessons learned remain for historians and future commanders.

A dead-serious voice sounded in the Marine command bunker at Khe Sanh: "Spunky Hanson’s got gooks and tanks in the wire!" The U.S. Special Forces Camp at Lang Vei was under heavy attack. Tet 1968.

There were three big events in the news during early 1968: Khe Sanh, Pueblo, and the garbage strike in New York.

One of the strongest efforts made by the Communists in Vietnam was the Tet Offensive of 1968. The most critical action during the time was the Marine defense of Khe Sanh. The instinctive questions at the time were, "Can the U.S. forces hold Khe Sanh?" and "Will it be another Dien Bien Phu?"

Obviously, now, it was not the latter, and the Marines did hold. The Americans, in contrast to the French in 1954, suffered not the slightest setback in strategy. In fact, when Khe Sanh ceased to be a problem, there was little more said about the old combat base.

In 1970, a song by the Blues Image was believed by some to be a story of the ill-fated Pueblo. It also reminds many of Khe Sanh because of the simultaneous occurrence of the two headline events. No one really wants to be reminded of the garbage strike in New York. But the story of the near forgotten battle for Khe Sanh should not go untold.

Prelude to a storm




The first major engagement in the area was on 28 April 1967, almost a year before the siege. This battle was known as the "Hill Fights." It centered around the Hill 861/881 complex northwest of Khe Sanh. It was a successful effort by two Marine battalions to stop an attack by elements of the 325C North Vietnamese Army (NVA) division. Had the enemy not been stopped on the hills, they would have pressed on to overrun the Khe Sanh main base.

After this action Khe Sanh became relatively calm. Enemy units practically disappeared from the area, and there was little evidence of activity for several months. This lull permitted an appreciation for the physical beauty of the area which was characterized by green, heavily wooded mountains around the Khe Sanh plateau. The atmosphere was peaceful with days of warm, quiet sunshine. On a clear day, looking from Dong Tri Mountain, looming high on the northeast side of Khe Sanh, one could see Laos to the west, the ocean to the east, and wonder where the war had gone.

Things were to change. The monsoon would bring storms in November, and the North Vietnamese were planning an offensive that would turn the focal point of the world to South Vietnam, and that of the war to Khe Sanh.

Enemy units were detected around Khe Sanh in December. North Vietnamese elements previously had passed through the area, but now they were staying. Intelligence sources indicated the determined 325C NVA Division, defeated near Khe Sanh earlier, had returned in greater strength. The 304th NVA Division, a home guard unit which had seen action against the French at Dien Bien Phu, was also in the vicinity.

On 20 January 1968 an interesting thing happened. A North Vietnamese Lieutenant walked into the main base and surrendered. He willingly gave a wealth of information to his interrogators with more detail than would be expected of an officer in his position. He had been the commanding officer of the 14th Antiaircraft Company. He was able to give extensive details of the forthcoming Tet offensive, the plans for besieging Khe Sanh, and preparations for an imminent attack of Hill 861.

His description of the attack plan turned out to be accurate. Hill 861 was assaulted at 0100 on 21 January after a heavy 30-minute mortar attack. The attacking forces numbered 250 men, and the defending Marine forces consisted of a company, reinforced by two platoons.

The NVA succeeded in overrunning part of the outpost, but a strong counterattack by the defenders, coupled with heavy defensive fires from supporting artillery, repulsed the attack.

The action was broken off around 0515. Shortly thereafter the main base came under a strong rocket and artillery attack. Hits were scored on the base ammunition dump which within minutes exploded in giant fiery clusters.

Other ground action the same day involved attempts by elements of the 304th NVA Division to overrun the combined action units in Khe Sanh Village. These attacks were beaten off with the help of Marine air and artillery support. By late afternoon the air was quiet but the siege of Khe Sanh had begun.

The decisions




Public focus on Khe Sanh brought recollections of the disaster at Dien Bien Phu. The world suddenly recalled the French defeat in 1954. Parallels inevitably were drawn. Khe Sanh, like Dien Bien Phu, was largely surrounded by hills; however, the latter was at the bottom of a valley while Khe Sanh was situated on a plateau which provided some measure of defensive advantage.

The enemy plans of attack appeared similar: take the important outposts (Hills 861/881 complex); choke off the Khe Sanh base with siege tactics; and, when the main defending force withered, conduct the final assault. The Viet Minh successfully employed such tactics at Dien Bien Phu.

High level French and American decisions concerning the two bases were similar: reinforce rather than withdraw. But the underlying reasons for the decisions were different. The French considered Dien Bien Phu an indispensable blocking position on an invasion route to Laos. When they recognized the enemy buildup they decided to reinforce, but they did not see the true difficulty of defeating a larger force in defensive battle. Closer examination of the American decision in Vietnam reveals differences in outlook and estimation.

The importance of Khe Sanh and its outposts to the United States was the defenders’ role in interdicting and monitoring movement through the Rao Quang River Valley and Route 9, into Quang Tri Province. The decision to hold the base came from the belief of Gen William C. Westmoreland that troops could be afforded for the reinforcement, they could be adequately re-supplied by air, and if an overland relief force were needed, it could be provided. Further, he correctly understood the need for heavy fire power and knew he possessed it. Finally, since the enemy appeared ready to accept a major battle, it was an opportunity to inflict heavy casualties.

Following the reinforcement theory, another U.S. battalion was transferred to Khe Sanh on 22 January; an ARVN ranger battalion arrived on the 27th, bringing to five the total number of infantry battalions defending Khe Sanh. The specific units were the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Battalions of the 26th Marines; 1st Battalion, 9th Marines and 37th ARVN Ranger Battalion.

The storm




Daily rocket and artillery attacks on the base and outposts provided most of the action during the two weeks following the 21 January attack. Even on 30 January when the Tet offensive was launched, Khe Sanh was relatively quiet. But the siege effort continued as more enemy troops, artillery, and antiaircraft weapons moved into the area.

The enemy tried another assault on Hill 861 in the early morning hours of 5 February. This battle was similar to the one on 21 January, but this time the enemy’s supporting fires were heavier and better coordinated with the ground attack. The base and Hill 861 received nearly 400 artillery and mortar rounds during the battle.

Unfortunately for the NVA, our own fire power was more devastating. The Khe Sanh fire support coordination center (FSCC) called the supporting heavy artillery and requested a "wall of steel" be placed northeast of hill 861, 100 meters from the Marine perimeter. Within minutes 175mm guns were delivering a deadly barrage impossible for the NVA to penetrate. Elsewhere around the hill, Marine artillery and mortars were cutting the enemy units to pieces. By 0700 the action had terminated. Another attempt to take on of the outposts had failed. The enemy suffered 109 known dead (by body count near the wire); many bodies were carried away by comrades.

The only enemy victory achieved during the siege was by the 66th Regiment over the Army Special Forces Camp at Lang Vei. Although the camp defenders and Marine artillery at Khe Sanh inflicted heavy casualties on the attacking force, the enemy deserves credit for conducting a skillful operation. This successful attack occurred on the night of 7 February, and employed both armor and infantry.

After Lang Vei it became apparent with each succeeding night that a heavy ground attack on Khe Sanh was imminent. Daily, enemy gunners fired artillery and rockets at all defensive positions; heavy enemy troop concentrations were detected all around the base. On 23 February, the main base at Khe Sanh was hit by more than 1,000 rounds, a record for the war at that time.

The siege




Like the armies of the Middle Ages, the enemy encircled the main base and sat there, digging sap trenches which protruded at various angles toward the Marine perimeter. His work on these trenches was not detected immediately because of poor visibility in the bad weather.

Historically, no two sieges ever have been alike, but the primary idea is to encircle the besieged force, choke it off from reinforcements and supplies, and eventually conduct an overwhelming attack. Trenches allowed the attacking troops to advance rapidly under artillery fired and emerge in heavy assault formations at the defensive perimeter. The Viet Minh used these methods at Dien Bien Phu. At Khe Sanh this technique proved a fatal mistake.

In contrast to various sieges of the 18th century and that of Dien Bien Phu, Khe Sanh could not be "choked off." Re-supply came by air for months preceding the siege. In February when the airfield became somewhat untenable, supplies were simply air-dropped or helilifted. The low altitude parachute extraction system (LAPES) was also used extensively. The longer the enemy tarried, the stronger grew the possibilities for sending a U.S. relief force, namely the 1st Air Cavalry Division.

Enemy strangulation attempts were shredded by an American air and artillery pounding that continued day and night. The weather prohibited close air strikes during most of February; however, it did not stop the B-52 strikes which often numbered 16 per day. It did not stop the radar controlled bomb strikes (TPQ’s) which hit the NVA every 12 minutes, around the clock. And nothing stops the Artillery!

The redleg forces consisted of four U.S. Army 175mm gun batteries (2nd Bn, 94th Arty and A btry, 8th Bn, 4th Arty) located at Camp Carroll and the Rock Pile, and five Marine batteries (1/13) with weapons ranging from 4.2 inch mortars to 155mm howitzers. These units were located on the main base and the outposts.

Most of the friendly artillery fire took place at night since the enemy was more likely to be exposed then. Concentrations of various sizes were fired each night on known enemy locations.

A new technique of mass fire power was formulated by an army liaison officer at Khe Sanh, who outlined his concept to the Marine officers in the FSCC. This technique involved the massing of all available artillery on a TPQ target so that bombs and artillery rounds landed simultaneously on one area. This technique, used extensively throughout the siege, became known as the "mini-arc light" and usually saturated an area 500 by 1000 meters. The effect proved devastating.

On 8 and 21 February enemy ground attacks hit the main base. Both attacks were stopped with the fire power at the Marines’ disposal.

After 40 days a failure




Intelligence reports toward the end of February indicated that a large regimental size force would attack the base from the southeast. The reports proved correct; the attack came on the 29th. Three attacks were made during the night, and although these assaults were the heaviest effort made to this point, they failed to break the Khe Sanh defense.

The Marines and ARVN rangers supplied heavy interlocking fires, augmented by close air strikes and all available artillery. The attackers not only were cut down at the perimeter, their routes of approach and assembly areas near Route 9 were saturated in depth by air strikes and artillery. The attack never achieved a full head of steam.

While an accurate body count was never obtained, it was estimated that an entire enemy regiment had been wiped out. Montagnards later reported hundreds of bodies in piles along the approach routes.

This attack on 29 February occurred approximately 40 days after the first ground attack. Although the enemy continued to shell Khe Sanh throughout March, it was the last attempt to take either the base or the outposts.

Interestingly, the sieges of some feudal armies lasted only 40 days. The soldiers of the besieging armies were paid only for 40 day commitment; if a fortress were not conquered during this time, the siege failed. The attackers would simply go home, their term of service having expired.

For the NVA, the battle on 29 February marked the end of a 40-day failure. A safe conclusion is that by this time their pockets had been cleaned.



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To: SAMWolf
Yes, road convoys were risky – but air supply was very limited in quantity. Our boats could deliver over 1000 tons a day, and the truckers would deliver it. I always imagined that air was used only for that which was needed on short notice – it would take us about a week from the time supplies were requested until it was delivered. Most of what we carried was fuel and ammo – stuff they would always need.
201 posted on 12/12/2002 4:46:12 AM PST by R. Scott
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To: R. Scott
Thanks for the follow-up information, most accounts I had read on Khe Sanh imply that overland supply was very limited.
202 posted on 12/12/2002 5:43:11 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: SAMWolf
I recall those days with a clarity that exceeds what I did and where I was yesterday. The squadrons supplying air support practically wore out our aircraft, crews, ground support troops and maintenance parts inventories. The enormous amount of munitions that were used during that period had to be more than the Eighth Air Force placed on German targets during a period much longer than this action.

We were able to put to effective first use some of the new day and night photo, electronic and communications reconnaissance gadgets being then made available. Technology provided some truly amazing stuff that hepled air crews to put the bad guys in the cross hairs and get the boomers in the pickle barrel. It was sort of like the old Marlon Brando mob axiom that nothing moves in his town but what he says so. Nothing moved in areas around the Khe Sanh base and its outlying posts but what we saw it, tracked it and told the proper planners about it.

From overhead, the view of a C-130 making a pass only a few inches above the runway with the pallet delivery system chutes draging re-supply crates out of the ass-end while incoming all around them was to watch what was truly a feat of intrepidity and airmanship. It's one thing to do your thing with a high performance aircraft providing close ground support and supressing the bad guys' fire, it's totally another to play chicken at low speed, on the deck with the back door of an unarmed C-130 wide open.

Of my 48 trips to Khe Sanh and its immediate environs, watching those brave C-130 air crews do their circus act is the vison that remains in my mind's eye like a framed photograph.

203 posted on 12/13/2002 2:37:53 PM PST by middie
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To: SAMWolf
I'd say the Stones kept going strong to Some Girls in 1978 their decline after this excellent record roughly paralells Mick and Keiths declining drug use.
Dying early for Jazz and Rock musicians limits their mediocre and embarassing efforts.
Drugs are no substitute for talent,I will grant you that more often than not drugs stifle or destroy it.
I am struck by how many artists in many fields really suck after getting clean---Steve Earle for example.
Charlie Parker's musical sound is inseperably linked to his drug use.Mick and Keith were at top form in the early 70s as their drug use was at its peak.
I suspect that for many creative people who produce supreme work "on drugs" it is the result of neglecting all other aspects of their lives resulting in a focus on only work and their next high.
204 posted on 12/13/2002 4:05:05 PM PST by rastus macgill
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To: rastus macgill
Whoops that post was not meant for you or this thread my comments section is filled with Freeper foxhole posts for some inexplicable reason and I was attempting to reply to someone else sorry.
205 posted on 12/13/2002 4:10:39 PM PST by rastus macgill
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To: middie
Thanks for sharing you experiences at Khe Sanh with us and thank you for your service.
206 posted on 12/13/2002 6:07:10 PM PST by SAMWolf
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To: R. Scott; SAMWolf
"I always imagined that air was used only for that which was needed on short notice[snip].

As a helicopter (HUEY) Crew Chief I'd say that your statement is mostly correct but it depends on the area, time-of-day, enemy activity and mission necessity.(A Huey (UH-1) has a crew of 4 members:Pilot, Copilot, Gunner and a Crew Chief and most non Army Aviation people aren't aware of the pecking order of the crew.) The pilots were mostly warrant officers and the Crew Chief and Gunner were enlisted. In my last tour in Nam (I did 2 tours) I was 22 and older and more experienced in flight operations than most 20 and 21 year old pilot/warrant officers. I would say that each person had a mission and we all did our jobs to complete what we were required to do. Get the supplies/troops to where they are needed.

So air missions could be called for, in an emergency, but my experience was that it was best to use a truck, IF POSSIBLE, because a truck doesn't hit the ground and crash when hit with a bullet in the engine compartment.

Most movies portray helicopters to be flying tanks and invunerable to enemy fire.

So those who flew into Khe Sanh were truly brave men flying into dangerous missions and aware of the danger of the mission. Most Viet Nam era aircraft lacked armor and relied on luck and great flying skills along with a Crew Chief and Gunners who knew how to supress the enemy with M-60 machine guns.



207 posted on 12/13/2002 7:05:21 PM PST by BeAllYouCanBe
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
”"I always imagined that air was used only for that which was needed on short notice…”

This was in reference only to Khe Sanh, I am in total agreement with ever word you posted.
Much of the “history” of Viet Nam is based on two things – our esteemed media’s reporting, and the statements and briefings put out by the military officials, many who had their own agenda. We are familiar with the US Marines publicist’s versions – The US Marines were directly responsible for winning every one of our wars, with only minor help from the Army (no offence, guys). In the early days of Army helicopter aviation, their reps had to polish their efforts at every chance to fend off the Air Force’s effort to take over all cargo and ground support aircraft roles. In their rhetoric they did all the medical evacs, all the resupply, all the insertions etc.
The Army’s waterborne people never had many good publicists – and I still believe it was a (unintentionally) well kept secret.


208 posted on 12/14/2002 4:46:52 AM PST by R. Scott
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To: R. Scott
 

""Much of the “history” of Viet Nam is based on two things – our esteemed media's reporting, and the statements and briefings put out by the military officials, many who had their own agenda."
 

Don't look for the real history soon.  I worked with many Army amphibious landings in the Delta and I failed to see any Navy personnel.  Except for the Forrest Gump movie there is not much reference to the all-Army water-borne-navy operations in the Delta (brown water) which was done by all Army and had very little support from the US Navy.  The Navy took a huge credit but they knew how to play the press game.  The US Army had hundreds of boats and hundreds of helicopters but the Navy had better press coverage.  I think the Navy had 2 helicopter companies but they took credit for 30 Army helicopter companies.

I have read things that suggest that the "brown-water Army operations" in the Delta were the most important war activity because they denied the VC supplies to Siagon and supply routes by water from North Vietnam.  The 9th Infantry Div. did more to stop VC and RVN progress than several other Army and Marine Divisions in the North.  THIS IS MY OPINION.  I think in the end the 9th Infantry will come out as important as the Khe Sanh stand.
 
 

209 posted on 12/14/2002 6:21:41 PM PST by BeAllYouCanBe
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To: sphinx; Toirdhealbheach Beucail; curmudgeonII; roderick; Notforprophet; river rat; csvset; ...
Siege of Khe Sahn ping!!!!

If you want on or off the Western Civilization Military History pinglist, let me know.
210 posted on 12/14/2002 7:59:59 PM PST by Sparta
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
In addition, we supported many Navy Coronado missions. The 9th supplied the infantry, the Black Horse supplied the armor, various Army helicopter companies supplied air support and we supplied most of the resupply and heavy hauling.
The Navy supplied the press releases and a limited amount of gunship support.
211 posted on 12/15/2002 6:12:26 AM PST by R. Scott
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To: R. Scott
I often wonder if as I've heard that history is written by the victors if that so the US Army has lost the War in Vietnam? (This means that the Marines and Navy won.)

I just wish things were a bit more objective.

212 posted on 12/15/2002 8:36:58 AM PST by BeAllYouCanBe
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
Written history is seldom objective, as it is difficult for any historian not to include personal opinion and add the “why” as well as the “what”
As far back as the 5th Century BCE, Herodotus and Thucydides included a bit (a lot?) of personal opinion.
213 posted on 12/16/2002 5:14:11 AM PST by R. Scott
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To: All
NEW THREAD
214 posted on 12/16/2002 4:29:46 PM PST by Jen
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