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To: robowombat

You can be loyal to a state but traitor to your country.

The refusal to accept the authority of the United States is an act of rebellion, but not treason, which is levying war against the US. But it is disingenuous to say that war was forced on the South by the North. Lincoln pursued peaceful reconciliation until the Confederate Army attacked the federal garrison at Fort Sumpter, compelling its surrender, which fits the definition of levying war.

There are some very limited good things to be said about the Confederacy. But the bulk of Confederate apologia is pure crap.


5 posted on 10/15/2020 11:17:16 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Reverse Wickard v Filburn (1942) - and - ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
No independent nation would tolerate foreign military bases in the middle of a major city. Lincoln would not accept secession. The big, unasked question is why? Not the usual intoning of saving the union’, but why was the US unable to exist without South Carolina. By 1860, it seemed pretty clear most northerners wanted no part of the South and leading northern intellectuals such as Emerson encouraged feelings of hatred and contempt for Southerners. So why was the retention of the seceded slave states necessary?
7 posted on 10/15/2020 11:26:11 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

People fought for the South much like people fought in Vietnam, as a matter of duty and honor. My father told me about his grandfather coming home from the war where he lost a leg. He spent much of his life sitting on the house porch though on occasion he would don his peg leg to plow a field with his mule. And no, we never owned any slaves. My father was born at the onset of the Great Depression in a house in the mining camp near the company store. They paid the workers in script that could be spent in the company store.


11 posted on 10/15/2020 11:54:36 PM PDT by Robocop5626
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide; robowombat
the bulk of Confederate apologia is pure crap.

I wish FR had a 'Like' button, as there are amazing posts. Since you and I have nothing to say to each other. I equally wish there was a 'Block' button so I would never see your posts again.

21 posted on 10/16/2020 3:02:15 AM PDT by SandwicheGuy (“Feels Up and Heels Up 2020”)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

As if we didn’t have enough going on right now and didn’t need to “keep the troops together”. Point in fact, these WBTS threads aren’t just picking the scab of North vs. South - in reality they’re a fanciful (delusional?!) indulgence in historical revisionism between “The South” and everybody else.

I keep reading these inciteful statements about “The North felt..” or “The South said...” as though they were holistic sentient beings, but in truth there were (and remain) gradations to affinities, alliances, and attitudes. These threads boil them down to a silly simplistic stew, designed to inspire enmity amongst fellow FReepers.

I would urge FReepers to keep their eye on the real ball - the marxists who wish to enslave us all.


48 posted on 10/16/2020 5:50:58 AM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

“The refusal to accept the authority of the United States is an act of rebellion”

Not when you elected to leave the union of that federal government.


77 posted on 10/18/2020 8:58:01 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
But the bulk of Confederate apologia is pure crap.

Nikki is that you? First the came for Gen Lee and no one said a thing. When they get to tearing down Washington and Jefferson are you going to say anything then you sniveling coward?

84 posted on 12/01/2020 5:03:31 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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