Posted on 06/16/2008 9:10:00 AM PDT by KatyLoraleyVidales
US Army reservist Matthis Chiroux has made liberals across America quiver with excitment as he publicly refused to report to active duty.
Chiroux, a former sergeant in the US Army, has decided that since he does not agree with the Iraqi "occupation" that he is no longer obligated to follow orders.
After serving 5 years in the Army, Chiroux was honorably discharged and placed in the Individual Ready Reserves (IRR) which essentially serves as a resource of former soldiers who can, at any time, be reactivated during war time or during a national emergency...very similar to the standard military Reserve units through out the country.
For some strange reason, when Chiroux received his orders, he simply decided that since this is an "illegal and unconstitutional" war, he simply refused to go. Military Times wrote: "Many believe they (IRR) would never be called -- but when he army found itself stretched by unexpected combat demands in Iraq in the summer of 2004 it began issuing mobilization orders". Chiroux, former sergeant, should understand that while the US is still engaged in active conflict in foreign nations that is neither illegal or unconstitutional as it was declared by our President and made official by Congress, that he as a reservist MAY be contacted for deployment.
Chiroux and his father, a rocket scientist from Alabama believe this to be a "back-door draft" when in actuality it is what it is...a Reservist program instituted by the government to be used during time of conflict. I'm curious...when did Chiroux, after his discharge, fail to remember that while a reservist and under the command of the Commander in Chief, he was no longer obligated to respond to orders? C'mon people this isn't' ROCKET SCIENCE, and even it was he could simply ask his father to explain it...
(Excerpt) Read more at rightupfront.org ...
Good point. I’m not sure why they believe that now, when we are actively engaged in conflict, that their presence isn’t necessary or potentially necessary...makes no sense.
Thank you for your service by the way!!!
Well, what no one else knows is that it was all staged. As soon as yesterday’s (IVAW) hearing ended, Maxine Waters arranged a press conference so young Matthis could announce he’d been converted by the testimony - as I described yesterday, the testimony couldn’t convince me of anything, it couldn’t convince anyone of anything. So they manufactured a miraculous conversion.
How do I know? His sister posted on an IVAW website yesterday that Matthis had been duped and used by the IVAW, and now her post is gone. If I hadn’t been so tired of IVAW BS last night, I would have screen capped it…but d’oh.Read more at This Ain't Hell.
The media is making it sound like Chiroux is about to deploy and that he is making this big stand as an active duty Soldier in refusing to deploy. The fact is that he is a civilian who received a recall letter back in February which he has ignored.
The military has already said that they are not hunting down individuals who ignore those letters, though they’d have a legal right to prosecute if they wanted to. So, where’s the news again?
Because you are contractually bound or you can choose imprisonment behind door number 2.
Then again, if we follow that line of logic then any platoon leader or commander can choose for the safety of himself or his troops to ignore orders about not shooting civilians without cause and just kill them all if he "feels" there is imminent danger.
Hell, let's extend this to restrictions on oil drilling and just ignore them because afterall why should we follow laws that are obviously flawed? Just round the POS up and give him the choice between deployment and Kansas (Leavenworth).
It certainly was necessary. Saddam posed a threat to our national security, as concluded by both congress and the White House.
“Saddam posed a threat to our national security, as concluded by both congress and the White House.”
History has proven them to have been.....less than correct.
You’re welcome, I was glad to serve.
I’m glad my grandfathers aren’t around to hear guys whine about being sent to Iraq for 12 months. One was at Anzio and didn’t see the end to combat until VE Day. The other was in 11 different invasions in the Solomons, according to my Dad. I don’t know if they ever got leave.
The revised history of the MSM.
“The revised history of the MSM.”
Do you have links to any other that backs up everything that the White House and members of Congress believed when they started the war?
Well, for one thing, the P5 had unanimously agreed that Saddam was in breach of his obligations to the cease fire agreement regarding terrorism. One such breach, according to Russian intel, was that [officials from Saddam’s regime were preparing terrorist attacks in the United States and outside it against the U.S. military and other interests]. This certainly puts Saddam in violation of the cease fire. Now, I don’t know about you, but I personally believe that a terrorist leader planning attacks against the U.S. constitutes a threat to national security, and both congress and the white house agreed he posed a threat as well, as noted in the congressional legislation that authorized the military action against Saddam.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53096-2004Jun18.html
A “back door draft” that he agreed to...in writing...at least once.Given that he wasn’t drafted he had to have *voluntarily* agreed to the terms of enlistment that all members of our armed Forces agree to....and the Individual Ready Reserve is one of them.
As usual you statement of your emotion based opinions on Iraq are totally wrong. Nice you have opinions, too bad they are totally ignorant ones. Instead of clinging to your ignorance so desperately, try actually finally learning something about Iraq.
Why Iraq
One of the really infuriating things in modern politics is the level of disinformation, misinformation, demagoguery and out right lying going on about the mission in Iraq. Democrats have spent the last 3+ years lying about Iraq out of a political calculation. The assumption is that the natural isolationist mindset of the average American voter, linked to the inherent Anti Americanism (what is misnamed the “Anti War movement”) of the more feverish Democrat activists (especially those running the US’s National “News” media) would restore them to national political dominance. The truth is the Democrat Party Leadership has simply lacked the courage to speak truth to whiners. The truth is that even if Al Gore won the 2000 election and 09-11 still happened we would be doing the EXACT same things in Iraq we are doing now.
Based on the political situation in the region left over from the 1991 Gulf War plus the domestic political consensus built up in BOTH parties since 1991 as well as fundamental military strategic laws, there was NO viable strategic choice for the US but to take out Iraq after finishing the initial operations in Afghanistan.
To start with Saddam's Iraq was our most immediate threat. We could NOT commit significant military forces to another battle with Saddam hovering undefeated on our flank nor could we leave significant forces watching Saddam. The political containment of Iraq was breaking down. That what Oil for Food was all about. Oil for Food was an attempt by Iraq to break out of it's diplomatic isolation and slip the shackles the UN Sanctions put on it's military. There there was the US Strategic position to consider.
The War on Islamic Fascism is different sort of war. in facing this Asymmetrical threat, we have a hidden foe, spread out across a geographically diverse area, with covert sources of supply. Since we cannot go everywhere they hide out, in fact often cannot even locate them until the engage us, we need to draw them out of hiding into a kill zone.
Iraq is that kill zone. That is the true brilliance of the Iraq strategy. We draw the terrorists out of their world wide hiding places onto a battlefield they have to fight on for political reasons (The “Holy” soil of the Arabian peninsula) where they have to pit their weakest ability (Conventional Military combat power) against our greatest strength (ability to call down unbelievable amounts of firepower) where they will primarily have to fight other forces (the Iraqi Security forces) in a battlefield that is mostly neutral in terms of guerrilla warfare. (Iraqi-mostly open terrain as opposed to guerrilla friendly areas like the mountains of Afghanistan or the jungles of SE Asia).
Did any of the critics of liberating Iraq ever look at a map? Iraq, for which we had the political, legal and moral justifications to attack, is the strategic high ground of the Middle East. A Geographic barrier that severs ground communication between Iran and Syria apart as well as providing another front of attack in either state or into Saudi Arabia if needed.
There were other reasons to do Iraq but here is the strategic military reason we are in Iraq. We have taken, an maintain the initiative from the Terrorists. They are playing OUR game on ground of OUR choosing.
Problem is Counter Insurgency is SLOW and painful. Often a case of 3 steps forward, two steps back. One has to wonder if the American people have either the emotional maturity, nor the intellect” to understand. It's so much easier to spew made for TV slogans like “No Blood for Oil” or “We support the Troops, bring them home” or dumbest of all “We are creating terrorists” then to actually THINK.
Westerners in general, and the US citizens in particular seem to have trouble grasping the fundamental fact of this foe. These Islamic Fascists have NO desire to co-exist with them. The extremists see all this PC posturing by the Hysteric Left as a sign that we are weak. Since they want us dead, weakness encourages them. There is simply no way to coexist with people who completely believe their “god” will reward them for killing us.
So we can covert to Islam, die or kill them. Iraq is about killing enough of them to make the rest of the Jihadists realize we are serious. They same way killing enough Germans, Italians and Japanese eliminated the ideologies of Nazism, Fascism and Bushido.
Americans need to understand how Bin Laden and his ilk view us. In the Arab world the USA is considered a big wimp. We have run away so many times. Lebanon, the Kurds, the Iraqis in 1991, the Iranians, Somalia, Clinton all thru the 1990s etc etc etc. The Jihadists think we will run again. In fact they are counting on it. That way they can run around screaming “We beat the American just like the Russians, come join us in Jihad” and recruit the next round of “holy warriors”. Iraq is also a show place where we show the Muslim world that there are a lines they cannot cross. On 9-11-01 they crossed that line and we can, and will, destroy them for it -
If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” Winston Churchill
In thread after thread after thread your emotion based opinions have been buried under a mass of evidence yet here you are fanatically clinging to your ignorance on Iraq demanding everyone else provide you with proof.
Why should we bother continuing this farce when you simply ignore anything that proves your emotion based opinions on Iraq ignorant and wrong? Past time you finally learn even the most basic facts about Iraq.
That conversation that I was having with the other poster was over and done with and my questions were answered fairly well by the person.
Why the trolling MNJohnniecomelately? Just bored?
So how about you finally try learning something about Iraq instead of tuning out everything that challenges your emotion based opinions about Iraq?
“As the proof presented shows, your opinions are ignorant and wrong.”
That is nice. Glad you have an opinion. I’d tell you what you can do with that “oh so learned” opinion...but I’d likely get a time-out. Now go play in traffic until you can discuss things without being an insulting a$$hole.
I’m sorry, but there is no reason to continue bothering trying to pry open your welded shut mind. If you refuse to learn even the basic facts about Iraq there no reason for anyone to waste their time responding to your ignorance based posts. And there is no reason for you to continue wasting our time posting such ignorant posts on Iraq.
Nice you have strong feelings, too bad for you feelings are not facts. Learn the difference.
“And that was back in ‘94, when we didn’t have a war going on and my career field was over 100% manned according to Air Force requirements.”
Hmmm.. my career field was deleted.. guess I do not have to worry anymore.. LOL
Heh! What was your career field? Mine was KC-135 crew chief.
Thanks that is the only post that makes sense (helps to have the facts! which are always MIA when journalists, academe, and Congress are involved!) POST #22...must read! click below!
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