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To: SAMWolf

Very interesting!
But Like the first. It was not really a surprise.

Currently one of the books I’m reading is:

Reflections of Pearl Harbor
An Oral History of December 7, 1941
K. D. Richardson
2005
http://www.greenwood.com/books/BookDetail.asp?sku=C8516

160 personal narratives that describe a day in the life of America; that day was December 7, 1941.
This collection of memories, told in participants' own words, gathers accounts from both military and civilians, children and adults, people of many ethnic backgrounds, from all over of the United States. Together, these ordinary Americans paint a portrait of a nation
stunned,

One of the most interesting so far. Is one from a Marine by the name of Ernest M. Phillips on the heavy cruiser Northampton.

In Dec. He was with Task Force 16. Delivering a Marine squadron of fighter planes off the Enterprise to Wake Island. using his words:

“ We had heard the Japanese were holding maneuvers around the island. I saw a dispatch that said if we went there they thought the Japanese would leave. However they really
didn’t leave, they just followed us to Pearl Harbor”

If this is correct. The Japanese fleet was not as lost as we have been told.

Two other interesting things he says are:

They were due to tie up at Pearl on Dec. 6th. But were delayed in getting there and could not enter the harbor because the sub nets were in place. And were told to wait to 10 am on the 7th to enter.

As they were maneuvering around. Waiting for 10 am. some of the ships began making sub contacts. As they radioed these in. The Admiral was very put out. That they were making contacts were there shouldn’t be. And radioed back.

You are in error. We do not have any submarines in the area, Please instruct you operators on the proper use of there equipment.

The other thing is he states is the Japanese put 27 torps. into the Utah. Because the Enterprise was slated to be tied up next to it.

Seem like they had good Intel. Just not current enough.


13 posted on 09/07/2005 10:59:55 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: quietolong
...a Marine by the name of Ernest M. Phillips on the heavy cruiser Northampton.

No offense to the Marines, but if you think a ship's company Marine knew what the ship was really doing in the pre-war Navy, you don't know crap about the Navy. Even now, I could go to the smoke deck tomorrow and start the most absolutely stupid rumor about what the ship is going to be doing and it would be everywhere by lunch. If they don't know otherwise, then it's the truth to them, but it doesn't mean it's true.

But were delayed in getting there and could not enter the harbor because the sub nets were in place

The delay in the arrival of the ENTERPRISE group due to bad weather has been well documented for years. It had nothing to do with submarine nets. Do you really think we had nets with no way of moving them when we needed to? Give me a break.

The other thing is he states is the Japanese put 27 torps. into the Utah.

The idiocy of this statement is not even worth commenting on. Forget about the conspiracies, try reading a real history of Pearl Harbor like Prange's "At Dawn We Slept", or at least realize that especially when you are reading an oral history, just because they said it doesn't mean it's right.

46 posted on 09/08/2005 7:51:45 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Back at sea on my sixth gator)
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