The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - Hungarian Armor of WWII - Apr. 19th, 2005

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[SAMWolf]

The 40/43M Zrinyi Assault Gun

The Zrinyi assault howitzer used a 105mm howitzer on a Turan chassis. The tank bears a striking resemblance to the Italian Semoventi with the 105/25 gun. Proposed manufacturing had the Zrinyi to be armed with 75mm long barreled as well. The manufacturer was Manfred Weisz of Cspel and MAVAG of Dios-Gyor. Modifications included the addition of side skirts to deflect hollow charge anti-tank weapons in 1944.

Zrinyi Assault Gun

The Hungarians seeing the successes of the German Sturmgeschutz in the East, made the production of an assault gun a very high priority. This was especially true after the disastrous debut of the Turan tanks of the 2nd Magyar Honved (2nd Hungarian Army). Two versions were planned - the Zrinyi I, armed with a long-barreled 76mm anti-tank gun; and the Zrinyi II, armed with a 105mm howitzer. \They chose the name "Zrinyi" to honor Nikolaus Graf Zrinyi, a Hungarian national hero who fought the Turks, and was killed in the battle of Szigetvar in 1566. A total of eight assault battalions were planned, each with thirty vehicles, to be used as an independent army or corps for the support of infantry divisions.


44.M Zrinyi I

As a basis, the Turan medium tank was utilized. It's engine, suspension and basic chassis were identical to the Turan. the chassis did have to be widened by .45m to make room for the armament. In December 1942, the Manfred Weisz company had already finished a prototype of the Zrinyi II with a 105mm 40/43M (L/20.5) howitzer made by MAVAG Dios-Gyor. The howitzer was a modified version of the MAVAG developed 105mm 40M towed howitzer. This weapon was known to provide good performance against the Soviet T-34.


43M Zrinyi II

The Zrinyi II prototype was taken to the artillery range at Hajmasker in western Hungary. It went through tests between December 12, 1942 to January 20, 1943. After these tests proved successful, the vehicle was accepted for production and was designated 43M Zrinyi II rohamtarack (assault howitzer). It was later redesignated 43M Zrinyi 105 rohamtarack.



The Zrinyi I used the same modified chassis and engine as the 105mm-armed version, but it mounted the MAVAG Dios-Gyor developed 75mm 43M (L/43) anti-tank gun (as was developed for the Turan III). Development initiated in May 1943, but a prototype was not completed until the winter of 1943-44. Production was planned for June of 1944 at manfred Weisz and Ganz. Service designation for this type was 44M Zrinyi I rohamagyu (assault gun).



A contract was placed at Manfred Weisz for 40 Zrinyi vehicles. The number was later raised to 104 vehicles to be built by Manfred Weisz and Ganz (54 each in 1943, and 50 in 1944). The first Zrinyi IIs arrived by August 1943. A total of 60 of the Zrinyi II were produced by Manfred Weisz before production halted in July 1944. It is possible, but not confirmed, that Ganz completed a further six vehicles in August and September of 1944. Production of the Zrinyi I was never initiated, and a single prototype was used for trials only.

[SAMWolf]

The 38M Toldi


38M Toldi

A licence built version of the Swedish Landsverk L-60 light tank. The icon on the far left is an actual picture of the Swedish tank. You can compare it to the Hungarian version in the center and right icons. The Toldi came in several marks (versions) I, II, IIa, and III. There were experimental vehicles with stand off armor to defeat hollow charge anti armor projectiles. At least one was modified by replacing the turret with a three sided open topped structure that housed a German 75mm PaK40 L/48. This vehicle would have been employed much the same as the German Marder Anti-Tank vehicle.

The 40M Nimrod (40M Nimrod legvedelmi harckocsi)


40M Nimrod

Manufactured by Ganz of Budapest Hungary, the Nimrod was an anti-aircraft tank based on a licence built copy of the Swedish Landsverk L-62 (Anti II) tank. Built in two batches, a total of 135 units were constructed. Originally, it was intended to be used as an anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapon, but it proved to be ineffective against armored vehicles. Therefore, it was primarily utilized for air defence.

The V4


V4

One of Nicholaus Straussler's earlier projects. It had a cross-articulated three-point suspension with leaf springs and rubber bogie rollers. The V4 was actually used experimentally to develop pontoon devices for ferrying purposes! This may see odd, but you have to remember that Straussler was the one who developed the Duplex-Drive for Allied tanks.

Additional Sources:

www.wwiivehicles.com
www.fronta.cz
www.bibl.u-szeged.hu
www.military-art.com
www.battlefront.co.nz
panzermodelkit.valka.cz
www.d-daytanks.org.uk

[SAMWolf]

Hungarian Armored Forces in WWII
Early Design Work


F-IV-HE

During the 1930s Praga developed a prototype of an amphibious tank, the F-IV-HE.


Nicholas Straussler

From 1937-38 Nicholas Straussler designed an experimental light tank called the V-4. He later went to Britain and worked with Alvis and Vickers-Armstrongs and designed several armored cars and light tanks.

Foreign Tanks Purchased



In 1938, 104 CV 35 tankettes were purchased from Italy. These were modified by adding a small square commander's cupola. Also the Toldi was produced under license from Sweden (Landsverk L60B light tank) by Manfred Weiss company of Budapest.

Armored Forces In Action



The armored forces first fought against Slovakia in 1939.



Hungary joined the Tripartite Pact in November 1940.



Hungary participated in the invasion of Yugoslavia on April 10, 1941. The 1st and 2nd Motorized Brigade and the 2nd Cavalry Brigade each had a company of 20 Toldis, a company of 20 CV 35s, and 10 Alvis Straussler Csaba armored cars.


39M "Csaba"

Hungary entered the war against Russia on June 27, 1941 and provided the 3rd largest contingent of armored forces on the eastern front. The Gyorshadtest (Fast Corps) comprised 3 brigades with 81 Toldis, 48 Csabas, and 60 CV 35s. During the drive to the Donets River loses were severe as the tanks weren't able to hold up in the tough terrain.



With the delay of the new Turan medium tank in production, the Hungarians bought tanks from Germany.. These were used by the 1st Motorized Brigade to form the 1st Hungarian Armored Division. The division fought in the Don and on the left flank at Stalingrad. During the Russian offensive of January 1943 the unit was smashed. Only 6 of the tanks made it back to Hungary in March 1943.


A Toldi tank captured by the Soviets

Meanwhile the 2nd Hungarian Armored Division was being formed with the new Turan tanks. In April 1944 it was sent to Galicia in eastern Poland. The Turans were inadequate against the T-34/85s and the Germans sold the Hungarians more modern tanks of which the first were delivered in August 1944.



In March of 1944 Germany occupied Hungary and forced them to commit all their armored units to the front.

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148 posted on 08/24/2004 11:39:45 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)

Good morning Cannoneer, please fall in, let us know how you are. :-)

[Iris7]

My old german teacher, Rheinhold Kieslich, was in the Wehrmacht. He was a junior officer with several languages.

He said:
1. The American infantry was very poor.

2. The American artillery was very good.

3. That he never even shot at an American, but only over their heads. Yeah, sure.


4. That the Hungarians have no peer in swearing. Their ability to use profanity outclasses all other nations. He said listening to them swear was special, and that he learned a lot.

[Aeronaut]

Good morning Snippy.

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Regards

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Good morning, Snippy and everyone at the Foxhole.

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Good morning, it's my quilt guild morning.

[The Mayor]

April 19, 2005

Lesson From A Honey Bee

Read:
2 Kings 7:1-11

Let the redeemed of the Lord say so. -Psalm 107:2

Bible In One Year: Psalm 25-27

Years ago I set out a honeycomb to feed some bees that had a hive a short distance away. To start the process I captured one bee in a cup, placed it over the honeycomb, and waited until the bee discovered the treasure. When it was filled and satisfied, it flew directly to the hive. After a moment the bee returned with a dozen others. These in turn brought many more, until finally a swarm of bees covered the comb and soon had carried all the honey into the hive.

What a lesson for us! Are we telling others about the One we have found? Christ has committed to us the proclamation of the "good news." Shall we who have found honey in the Rock-Christ Jesus-be less considerate of others than the bees are?

The four lepers who sat just outside the gate of Samaria, after they had found food in the tents of the Syrians who had fled in the night, passed on the good news. They said one to another, "We are not doing right. This day is a day of good news, and we remain silent. . . . Let us go and tell the king's household" (2 Kings 7:9).

The child of God who knows the good tidings of the gospel does not do right if he fails to pass it on to others. Tell a hungry soul about Christ today. -M. R. De Haan, M.D.

Close to your door may be someone in sin,
O tell him the story true
Of Him who died his lost soul for to win-
O bring the one next to you! -Forsythe

Once you've tasted the Bread of Life, you'll want to share it.

FOR FURTHER STUDY
How Can I Share My Faith Without An Argument?

[tomball]

Good Morning, Foxhole - Nice Hungarian tread thread. 

 

[Valin]

On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on April 19:
1320 Pedro I King of Portugal (1357-67)
1700 Georg Abraham Schneider composer
1721 Roger Sherman signer (Declaration of Independence, Constitution)
1721 Thomas McKean attorney (signed Declaration of Independence) [or 3/19]
1801 Gustav T Fechner [Dr Mises] German philosopher/physicist
1821 Mortimer Dormer Leggett Major General (Union volunteers), died in 1896
1830 Rudolf Cornely German bible expert/jesuit
1850 Edward John Gregory painter/engraver
1866 Henri Deterding Dutch oil magnate (Royal Oil, Shell)
1877 Ole Evinrude inventor (outboard marine engine)
1897 Gertrude Vanderbilt Whitney sculptor/art benefactor
1903 Eliot Ness (Prohibition Agent for Department of Treasury-Chicago, Untouchables)
1905 John S "Jimmy" Thach US pilot/Admiral (WWII)
1910 Andrew Gilchrist historian/diplomat
1912 Glenn T Seaborg head of Atomic Energy Commission/chemist/discovered Plutonium/Nobel 1951
1920 Frank Fontaine Cambridge MA, comedian (Crazy Guggenheim)
1922 Erich Hartmann German WWII pilot (downed 352 Russian aircraft)
1922 Luigi Barbbarito reverend (Apostolic ProNuncio)
1925 Hugh O'Brian [Krampke] Rochester NY, actor (Wyatt Earp, Search)
1933 Dick Sargent Carmel CA, actor (Darrin-Bewitched)
1933 Jayne Mansfield [Vera Jane Palmer] Bryn Mawr PA, actress (Guide for the Married Man, Girl Can't Help It, Too Hot to Handle)
1935 Dudley Moore London England, actor (10, Arthur, Bedazzled, 6 Weeks)
1937 Elinor Donahue Tacoma WA, actress (Betty Anderson-Father Knows Best, Gladys Peterson-Get a Life)
1941 Alan Price Fatfield Durham England, rock keyboardist (Animals-House of the Rising Sun)
1946 Tim Curry Cheshire England, actor (Rocky Horror Picture Show)
1946 Viktor Viktorovich Zabolotsky Russia, cosmonaut (BST-02)
1960 Frank "sweet music" Viola Hempstead NY, pitcher (Minnesota Twins, New York Mets/Cy Young-1988)
1962 Al Unser Jr Indy-car racer (over 10 wins)
1969 Carlos Reyes Miami FL, pitcher (Oakland A's)
1975 Nazarena Almada Miss Argentina-Universe (1997)

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Deaths which occurred on April 19:
1054 Leo IX [Bruno von Egesheim und Dagsburg] Pope (1049-54), dies at 51
1390 Robert II King of Scotland, dies
1588 Paolo Veronese [Cagliari] painter, dies
1689 Christina Queen of Sweden (1644-54), dies
1776 Jacob Israel Emden [Jacob ben Tswi] German rabbi, dies at 78
1813 Benjamin Rush physician/abolotionist (signed Declaration of Independence), dies at 67
1824 [George Gorden Noel] "Lord" Byron poet, dies at 36
1881 Benjamin Disraeli 1st Earl (Beaconsfield)/novelist, dies
1906 Pierre Curie French physicist/chemist (Nobel 1903), dies
1943 Alexander Schmorell German resistance fighter, beheaded
1943 Kurt Huber German resistance fighter, beheaded
1943 Willy Graf German resistance fighter, beheaded
1956 Lionel K P "Buster" Crabb British diver (WWII), dies at 47
1957 Charles Funk Encylopediest (Funk & Wagnalls), dies at 76
1967 Conrad Adenauer West Germany chancellor (1949-63), dies at 91
1980 Alfred [Joseph] Hitchcock dies in Los Angeles CA from renal failure at 80
1987 Maxwell D Taylor US commander 101st airborne (WWII), dies at 85
1987 Hugh "Lumpy" Brannum Actor (Mr Green Jeans), dies at 77
1989 Daphne Du Maurier English writer (Rebecca, Jamaica Inn), dies at 82
1993 George Mickelson Governor of South Dakota, & 7 others, die in a plane crash
1995 J[oseph] Peter Grace CEO (W R Grace), dies at 82
1996 Peg Ridge peace campaigner/leftwing loonytoon, dies at 72

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GWOT Casualties
Iraq
A Good Day
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A Good Day

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Data research by Pat Kneisler
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On this day...
0607 Comet 1P/607 H1 (Halley) approaches within 0.0898 astronomical units (AUs) of Earth
1451 Alam Shah of Delhi resigns throne
1524 Pope Clemens VII fires Netherlands inquisitor-General French Van de Holly
1529 2nd Parliament of Spiers bans Lutheranism (called “Protestant” for the first time)
1539 Charles, protestant German monarch, signs Treaty of Frankrfurt
1587 Sir Frances Drake sails into Cadiz Spain & sinks Spanish fleet
1764 English Parliament banned the American colonies from printing paper money
1770 Captain James Cook 1st sees Australia


1775 Minutemen Captain John Parker orders not to fire unless fired upon
1775 Revolution begins-Lexington Common, shot "heard round the world"


1782 Netherlands recognizes US
1839 Treaty of London constitutes Belgium an independent kingdom and Luxembourg a Grand Duchy
1861 Baltimore ( pro-secessionist) riots result in four Union soldiers, 9 civilians killed.
1861 Lincoln orders blockade of Confederate ports (Civil War) (Operation Anaconda)
1863 Union troops/fleet occupy Fort Huger VA
1864 Naval Engagement at Cherbourg, FR USS Kearsage vs CSS Alabama
1874 Barracks on Alcatraz Island destroyed in fire
1897 1st Boston Marathon won by John McDermott of New York in 2:55:10
1900 Highest scoring opening game, Phillies beat Braves 19-17 in 10
1904 Much of Toronto destroyed by fire
1909 Joan of Arc, declared a saint
1910 Halley's comet seen by naked eye 1st time this trip (Curacao)
1919 French assembly decides on 8 hour work day
1919 Leslie Irvin of US makes 1st parachute jump & free fall
1921 Funeral of last German Emperoress, Augusta Victoria
1923 New Egyptian law allows suffrage for men, except soldiers
1927 "Vagabond King" opens in London
1928 New York Yankees are out of 1st place for 1st time since May 1926
1932 President Herbert Hoover suggests 5 day work week
1933 FDR announces US will leave the gold standard
1934 Shirley Temple appears in her 1st movie, "Stand Up & Cheer"
1936 Anti-Jewish riots break out in Palestine
1939 Connecticut finally approves Bill of Rights (148 years late)
1940 Dutch prime minister De Geer declares state of siege
1941 Bulgarian troops invade Macedonia

1943 Jews attack Nazi occupation forces at Warsaw Ghetto under Mordechai Anielewicz

1944 Allied fleet attack Sabang Sumatra
1945 Rodgers & Hammerstein musical "Carousel" opens on Broadway
1945 US aircraft carrier Franklin is heavily damaged in Japanese air raid (The Ship That Wouldn't Die)
1948 ABC-TV network begins
1948 Chiang Kai-shek elected President of Nationalist China
1949 Yankees dedicate a plaque for Babe Ruth
1951 General Douglas MacArthur ends his military career
1956 US actress Grace Kelly marries Monaco's Prince Rainier III (civil ceremony)
1960 Baseball uniforms begin displaying player's names on their backs
1960 Comiskey Park's famed "exploding" scoreboard begins operating
1964 Coup in Laos, Suvanna Phuma remains premier
1965 1st all news radio station (WINS 1010 AM in NYC) begins operating
1966 In 1st regular season game at Anaheim Stadium, Angels lose 3-1 to Chicago
1967 Beatles sign a contract to stay together for 10 years (they don't)
1967 US Surveyor III lands on Moon
1971 Sierra Leone becomes a republic (National Day)
1971 USSR Salyut 1 launched; 1st manned lab in orbit
1971 Charles Manson sentenced to life (Sharon Tate murder)
1972 Bangladesh becomes a member of British Commonwealth
1974 Baltimore Oriole Al Bumbry hits an inside-the-park homerun against the New York Yankees
1975 India launches 1st satellite with help of USSR
1978 Yitzhak Navron elected 5th President of Israel
1979 FCC raids & shuts down pirate radio station WFAT (Brooklyn NY)
1982 Rosie Ruiz, marathon race cheater, arrested for forgery
1982 Sally Ride announced as 1st woman astronaut
1982 USSR Salyut 7 space station put into orbit
1982 Guinon Bluford announced as 1st black astronaut
1986 Michael Spinks beats Larry Holmes in 15 for heavyweight boxing title
1987 Jacqueline Blanc, sets women's downhill ski speed record (124.902 mph)
1987 Last wild condor captured on California wildlife reserve
1989 Gun turret explodes on USS Iowa, killing 47 sailors
1990 Contra guerrillas, leftist Sandinistas & incoming government agree to truce in Nicaragua's civil war
1991 Battle of the Ages-Heavyweight champion Evander Hollyfield beats 42 year old George Foreman in 12 for heavyweight boxing title
1993 Branch Dividians/FBI 51 day standoff in Waco TX ends with the deaths of 4 FBI Agents and numerous deaths from suicide of the cult members
1993 Fire in psychiatric institute in South Korea, kills 40
1994 Inkatha ends boycott of South African multi-racial election
1994 Rodney King award $3,800,000 in compensation of police beating
1994 Supreme Court outlaws excluding people from juries because of gender

1995 Truck bomb outside Alfred P Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, kills 168 & injures 500

1997 More than 50,000 residents abandoned Grand Forks, N.D., as the rising Red River overran sandbags.
1998 China freed Wang Dan, one of the leaders of the 1989 pro-democracy movement that had been brutally suppressed in Beijing's Tiananmen Square.
2000 A federal appeals court ruled that 6-year-old Cuban refugee Elian Gonzalez may stay in the United States until the court heard the full appeal from his relatives, who sought to retain custody of the boy.
2003 32nd day of Operation Iraqi Freedom
US forces captured Abd al-Khaliq Abd al-Ghafar (4 of hearts), Saddam's scientific research minister
2004 Saudi police seized 2 explosives packed SUVs on a highway outside Riyadh. It the 3rd day in a row that such a seizure was announced.

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Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Cuba : Bay of Pigs Victory Day (1961)
England : Primrose Day
Sierra Leone : Republican Anniversary Day (1971)
Uruguay : Landing of the 33/Desembarco de los "Treinta y Tres" (1825)
US : John Parker Day (1775) honors minutemen
Venezuela : Declaration of Independence Day/Day of Indian
Massachusetts, Maine : Patriots Day-Boston Marathon run (1775) (Monday)
US : National Coin Week (Day 2)
US : National Lingerie Week (Day 2)
US : Astronomy Week (Day 2)
US : John Parker Day (1775) honors minutemen and the Revolutionary hero
Worldwide Innovation Month

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Religious Observances
Christian : Commemoration of James Duckett
Anglican : Commemoration of St Alphege, Archbp of Canterbury, martyr
Lutheran : Commemoration of Olavus Petri
Lutheran : Commemoration of Laurentius Petri

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Religious History
1529 In Germany at the Diet of Spires (Speyer), a document signed by Lutheran leaders in fourteen cities lodged a "protest" which demanded a freedom of conscience and the right of minorities. Henceforth, the German Lutheran Reformers were known as "Protestants."
1823 Birth of Anna L. Waring, Welsh Anglican hymnwriter. "In Heavenly Love Abiding" is one of her best-known hymns, and is still sung today.
1887 The Catholic University of America was chartered in Washington, D.C.
1930 American pioneer linguist Frank C. Laubach, while serving as a missionary in the Philippines, wrote in a letter: 'Fellowship with God is like a delicate little plant, for a long nurturing is the price of having it, while it vanishes in a second of time, as soon as we try to seat some other unworthy affection beside Him.'
1941 Robert F. Wagner, Sr. introduced a resolution in the U.S. Senate stating that U.S. policy should favor the "restoration of the Jews in Palestine." The resolution was supported by 68 Senators.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.

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Thought for the day :
"We're Americans - with a capital A! And do you know what that means? Do you? It means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world."

[Soaring Feather]

Good morning everyone.

[snippy_about_it]

Good morning Iris7.

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Good morning Aeronaut.

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Mornin' alfa6.

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Good morning EGC. Looks like we are in for a spell of good weather.

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Have fun quilting. I had no idea how popular it was but the woman who is opening her shop near us looks like she'll be a hit!