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Posted on 04/18/2005 10:05:01 PM PDT by SAMWolf
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 are acknowledged, affirmed and commemorated.
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 A light tank based on a design from the Czech Skoda factory. The Skoda design, T22, became the 40mm Turan. The Hungarians produced 2 forms, the Turan 1 which had a 40mm gun and the Turan 2 with a 75mm gun in a larger turret. These tanks equiped Hungary's only armored division (1st Pancelos Hadosztaly). Turans proved to be much too light to use against Soviet armor and armor clashes were avoided if possible. A prototype of Turan III (see below) armed with 75mm long barreled was ready in 1944. The proposed heavier Turan 3 never reached production stage before the ending of the war in 1945. Any surviving Turans were lost in 1944 when Hungary attempted to break it's Axis alliance.  Turan I After the Hungarian debacle of the 2nd Magyar Honved (2nd Hungarian Army), it became evident to the Hungarians that the 40mm gun mounted in the Turan I, would be inadequate (even though no Turans had participated in the battle on the Don River in January of 1943). As a result, MAVAG Dios-Gyor developed the 75mm 41M tank gun from the Austro-hungarian Bohler 75mm 18M field gun. The Turans armed with this short-barelled tank gun were designated 41M Turan II nehez harckocsi (heavy tank). they were later renamed 41M Turan 75 rovid nehez harckocsi (short heavy tank). the first 3 Turan IIs were delivered to the troops on May 13-15, 1943.  Turan II In April of 1943, a better, more modern design was submitted. This tank was armed with the 43M (L/43) tank gun which was a hungarian development of the German 7.5cm PaK 40. The Hungarian version differed considerably to its German counterpart, and could fire either German PaK ammunition, or special Hungarian ammo. This model was designated 43M Turan II hasszu nehez harckocsi (long heavy tank). It mounted the 75mm gun in a modified turret and had thicker armor, but was otherwise similar to previous Turans.  Turan III The only Turan III modifications actually undertaken was the fitting of side skirt plates over the suspension and around the turrets of some Turan I and IIs in the second half of 1944. This gave the Turans an appearance similar to German Panzer IIIs fitted with schurzen. A total of 230 turan I tanks were built - 70 by MVG of Gyor, 70 by manfred Weisz of Cspel, 50 by Ganz of Budapest, and 40 by MAVAG of Budapest.  Turan I crosses a destroyed bridge. A total of 139 Turan II tanks were produced, primarily in 1943, against the total of 322 which were to have been completed by 1945. Of these, 54 were produced by Manfred Weisz of Cspel, 36 by Canz of Budapest, and 39 by MVG of gyor.  Turan I part of the 2nd Armored Division in Galicia in the summer 1944. The tank guns of the Turan were produced by MAVAG Dios-Gyor.  A Turan II with the 1st Pancelos Hadosztaly in 1943 crossing a broken bridge Engines of the Turans were produced by Manfred Weisz, MVG and MAVAG.
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The Zrinyi assault howitzer used a 105mm howitzer on a Turan chassis. The tank bears a striking resemblance to the Italian Semoventi with the 105/25 gun. Proposed manufacturing had the Zrinyi to be armed with 75mm long barreled as well. The manufacturer was Manfred Weisz of Cspel and MAVAG of Dios-Gyor. Modifications included the addition of side skirts to deflect hollow charge anti-tank weapons in 1944.
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Early Design Work  F-IV-HE During the 1930s Praga developed a prototype of an amphibious tank, the F-IV-HE.  Nicholas Straussler From 1937-38 Nicholas Straussler designed an experimental light tank called the V-4. He later went to Britain and worked with Alvis and Vickers-Armstrongs and designed several armored cars and light tanks.  In 1938, 104 CV 35 tankettes were purchased from Italy. These were modified by adding a small square commander's cupola. Also the Toldi was produced under license from Sweden (Landsverk L60B light tank) by Manfred Weiss company of Budapest.  The armored forces first fought against Slovakia in 1939.  Hungary joined the Tripartite Pact in November 1940.  Hungary participated in the invasion of Yugoslavia on April 10, 1941. The 1st and 2nd Motorized Brigade and the 2nd Cavalry Brigade each had a company of 20 Toldis, a company of 20 CV 35s, and 10 Alvis Straussler Csaba armored cars.  39M "Csaba" Hungary entered the war against Russia on June 27, 1941 and provided the 3rd largest contingent of armored forces on the eastern front. The Gyorshadtest (Fast Corps) comprised 3 brigades with 81 Toldis, 48 Csabas, and 60 CV 35s. During the drive to the Donets River loses were severe as the tanks weren't able to hold up in the tough terrain.  With the delay of the new Turan medium tank in production, the Hungarians bought tanks from Germany.. These were used by the 1st Motorized Brigade to form the 1st Hungarian Armored Division. The division fought in the Don and on the left flank at Stalingrad. During the Russian offensive of January 1943 the unit was smashed. Only 6 of the tanks made it back to Hungary in March 1943.  A Toldi tank captured by the Soviets Meanwhile the 2nd Hungarian Armored Division was being formed with the new Turan tanks. In April 1944 it was sent to Galicia in eastern Poland. The Turans were inadequate against the T-34/85s and the Germans sold the Hungarians more modern tanks of which the first were delivered in August 1944.  In March of 1944 Germany occupied Hungary and forced them to commit all their armored units to the front. |
My old german teacher, Rheinhold Kieslich, was in the Wehrmacht. He was a junior officer with several languages.
He said:
1. The American infantry was very poor.
2. The American artillery was very good.
3. That he never even shot at an American, but only over their heads. Yeah, sure.
4. That the Hungarians have no peer in swearing. Their ability to use profanity outclasses all other nations. He said listening to them swear was special, and that he learned a lot.
Regards
alfa6 ;>}
Good morning, Snippy and everyone at the Foxhole.
Good morning, it's my quilt guild morning.
What a lesson for us! Are we telling others about the One we have found? Christ has committed to us the proclamation of the "good news." Shall we who have found honey in the Rock-Christ Jesus-be less considerate of others than the bees are? The four lepers who sat just outside the gate of Samaria, after they had found food in the tents of the Syrians who had fled in the night, passed on the good news. They said one to another, "We are not doing right. This day is a day of good news, and we remain silent. . . . Let us go and tell the king's household" (2 Kings 7:9). The child of God who knows the good tidings of the gospel does not do right if he fails to pass it on to others. Tell a hungry soul about Christ today. -M. R. De Haan, M.D.
O tell him the story true Of Him who died his lost soul for to win- O bring the one next to you! -Forsythe Once you've tasted the Bread of Life, you'll want to share it.
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Good Morning, Foxhole - Nice Hungarian tread thread.
On This Day In History
Birthdates which occurred on April 19:
1320 Pedro I King of Portugal (1357-67)
1700 Georg Abraham Schneider composer
1721 Roger Sherman signer (Declaration of Independence, Constitution)
1721 Thomas McKean attorney (signed Declaration of Independence) [or 3/19]
1801 Gustav T Fechner [Dr Mises] German philosopher/physicist
1821 Mortimer Dormer Leggett Major General (Union volunteers), died in 1896
1830 Rudolf Cornely German bible expert/jesuit
1850 Edward John Gregory painter/engraver
1866 Henri Deterding Dutch oil magnate (Royal Oil, Shell)
1877 Ole Evinrude inventor (outboard marine engine)
1897 Gertrude Vanderbilt Whitney sculptor/art benefactor
1903 Eliot Ness (Prohibition Agent for Department of Treasury-Chicago, Untouchables)
1905 John S "Jimmy" Thach US pilot/Admiral (WWII)
1910 Andrew Gilchrist historian/diplomat
1912 Glenn T Seaborg head of Atomic Energy Commission/chemist/discovered Plutonium/Nobel 1951
1920 Frank Fontaine Cambridge MA, comedian (Crazy Guggenheim)
1922 Erich Hartmann German WWII pilot (downed 352 Russian aircraft)
1922 Luigi Barbbarito reverend (Apostolic ProNuncio)
1925 Hugh O'Brian [Krampke] Rochester NY, actor (Wyatt Earp, Search)
1933 Dick Sargent Carmel CA, actor (Darrin-Bewitched)
1933 Jayne Mansfield [Vera Jane Palmer] Bryn Mawr PA, actress (Guide for the Married Man, Girl Can't Help It, Too Hot to Handle)
1935 Dudley Moore London England, actor (10, Arthur, Bedazzled, 6 Weeks)
1937 Elinor Donahue Tacoma WA, actress (Betty Anderson-Father Knows Best, Gladys Peterson-Get a Life)
1941 Alan Price Fatfield Durham England, rock keyboardist (Animals-House of the Rising Sun)
1946 Tim Curry Cheshire England, actor (Rocky Horror Picture Show)
1946 Viktor Viktorovich Zabolotsky Russia, cosmonaut (BST-02)
1960 Frank "sweet music" Viola Hempstead NY, pitcher (Minnesota Twins, New York Mets/Cy Young-1988)
1962 Al Unser Jr Indy-car racer (over 10 wins)
1969 Carlos Reyes Miami FL, pitcher (Oakland A's)
1975 Nazarena Almada Miss Argentina-Universe (1997)
Good morning Iris7.
Good morning Aeronaut.
Mornin' alfa6.
Good morning EGC. Looks like we are in for a spell of good weather.
Have fun quilting. I had no idea how popular it was but the woman who is opening her shop near us looks like she'll be a hit!
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Years ago I set out a honeycomb to feed some bees that had a hive a short distance away. To start the process I captured one bee in a cup, placed it over the honeycomb, and waited until the bee discovered the treasure. When it was filled and satisfied, it flew directly to the hive. After a moment the bee returned with a dozen others. These in turn brought many more, until finally a swarm of bees covered the comb and soon had carried all the honey into the hive.