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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - Kursk-Largest Tank Battle Ever?(Jul 1943)-Mar. 29th, 2005
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Posted on 03/28/2005 9:45:36 PM PST by SAMWolf



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Operation Zitadelle




The Battle of Kursk was a significant battle on the Eastern Front of World War II. It remains the largest armored engagement of all time, and included the most costly single day of aerial warfare in history. Though the Germans planned and initiated an offensive strike, the Soviet defense managed to stop their ambitions and launch a successful counteroffensive.

Background


The German Army relied on armored forces to push through enemy lines at high-speed (the famous Blitzkrieg tactic). This meant they could only assume the offensive during the summer when the Russian continental climate had dried out the ground enough to give tanks a high degree of mobility. The Eastern Front war in 1941 and 1942 had thus developed into a series of German advances in the summer, followed by Soviet counterattacks in the winter.



In the winter of 1942/1943 the Soviets conclusively won the Battle of Stalingrad. One complete army had been lost, along with about 500,000 Germans and allies, seriously depleting the Axis strength in the east. With an Allied invasion of Europe clearly looming, Hitler realized that an outright defeat of the Soviets before the western Allies arrived had become unlikely, and he decided to force the Soviets to a draw.

In 1917 the Germans had built the famous Hindenburg line on the Western Front, shortening their lines and thereby increasing their defensive strength. They planned on repeating this strategy in Russia and started construction of a massive series of defensive works known as the Panther-Wotan line. They intended to retreat to the line late in 1943 and proceed to bleed the Soviets white against it while their own forces recuperated.



In February and March 1943 Erich von Manstein had completed an offensive during the Second Battle of Kharkov, leaving the front line running roughly from Leningrad in the north to Rostov in the south. In the middle lay a large 200 km wide and 150 km deep Soviet-held salient (bulge) in the lines between German forward positions near Orel in the north, and Manstein's recently captured Kharkov in the south.

German Plans


Von Manstein pressed for a new offensive based on the same successful lines he had just pursued at Kharkov, when he cut off an overextended Soviet offensive. He suggested tricking the Soviets into attacking in the south against the desperately re-forming 6th Army, leading them into the Donets Basin in the eastern Ukraine. He would then turn south from Kharkov on the eastern side of the Donets River towards Rostov and trap the entire southern wing of the Red Army against the Sea of Azov.



The OKW did not approve von Manstein's plan, and instead turned their attention to the obvious bulge in the lines between Orel and Kharkov. Three whole Soviet armies occupied the ground in and around the salient, and pinching it off would trap almost a fifth of the Red Army's manpower. It would also result in a much straighter and shorter line, and capture the strategically useful railway town of Kursk located on the main north-south railway line running from Rostov to Moscow.

In March the plans crystallized. Walther Model's 9th Army would attack southwards from Orel while Hoth's 4th Panzer Army and Army Detachment Kempf under the overall command of Manstein would attack northwards from Kharkov. They planned to meet near Kursk, but if the offensive went well they would have permission to continue forward on their own initiative, with a general plan to create a new line on the Don River far to the east.



Contrary to his recent behavior, Hitler gave the General Staff considerable control over the planning of the battle. Over the next few weeks they continued to increase the scope of the forces attached to the front, stripping the entire German line of practically anything remotely useful for deployment in the upcoming battle. They first set the attack for May 4, but then delayed it until June 12, and finally until July 4 in order to allow more time for new weapons to arrive from Germany, especially the new Panther tanks.

One could instructively contrast this plan with the traditional (and successful) blitzkrieg tactic used up to this point. Blitzkrieg depended on massing all available troops at a single point on the enemy line, breaking through, and then advancing as fast as possible to cut off enemy front-line troops from supply and information. Blitzkrieg involved avoiding direct combat at all costs: attacking a strongpoint makes no sense if an invader can achieve the same ends by instead attacking the trucks supplying the strongpoint. And Blitzkrieg worked best by attacking at the least expected location -- hence the Germans had attacked through the Ardennes in 1940, and towards Stalingrad in 1942.



The OKW's conception of the attack on the Kursk salient, Operation Citadel formed the antithesis of this concept. Anyone with a map could confidently predict the obvious point of attack: the German plan reflected World War I thinking more than the Blitzkrieg. A number of German commanders questioned the idea, notably Heinz Guderian who asked Hitler: Was it really necessary to attack Kursk, and indeed in the east that year at all? Do you think anyone even knows where Kursk is?. Perhaps more surprisingly Hitler replied: I know. The thought of it turns my stomach.

Simply put, Operation Citadel embodied an uninspired plan.

Soviet Plans


The Red Army had also begun planning for their own upcoming summer offensives, and had settled on a plan that mirrored that of the Germans. Attacks in front of Orel and Kharkov would flatten out the line, and potentially lead to a breakout near the Pripyat Marshes. However, Soviet commanders had considerable concerns over the German plans.



All previous German attacks had left the Soviets guessing where it would come from, and in this case Kursk seemed too obvious for the Germans to attack. However, Moscow received warning of the German plans through a spy ring in Switzerland.

Stalin and a handful of the Red Army Stavka (General Staff) wanted to strike first. They felt that history had demonstrated the Soviet inability to stand up to German offensives, while action during the winter showed their own offensives now worked well. However the overwhelming majority of the Stavka, and notably Georgi Zhukov, advised waiting for the Germans to exhaust themselves in their attack first. Zhukov's opinion swayed the argument.



The German delay in launching their offensive gave the Soviets four months in which to prepare, and with every passing day they turned the salient into one of the most heavily defended points on earth. The Red Army laid over 400,000 landmines and dug about 5,000 kilometers of trenches, with positions as far back as 175km from the front line. In addition they massed a huge army of their own, including some 1,300,000 men, 3,600 tanks, 20,000 artillery pieces and 2,400 aircraft.

The Germans had good information on the Soviet defensive preparations. Why they did not then switch targets remains a mystery.



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To: Mudboy Slim
bump!


81 posted on 03/29/2005 8:37:48 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

FFBB...FReeper Foxhole Bump Backatcha, my FRiend...MUD


82 posted on 03/29/2005 8:39:59 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (The Culture War shall be won by those RightWingers who choose to fight it!!)
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To: alfa6; bentfeather; tomball; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it

Good news, we are home and all went very well.
The doc said she came thru surgery like a champ and with rest and me catering to her she will recover nicely.
I just tucked her into bed and gave her some breakfast.

Thank you all for the thoughts and Prayers..


83 posted on 03/29/2005 8:47:11 AM PST by The Mayor ( Your decision about Jesus determines your destiny)
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To: snippy_about_it

Thanks, it was, we had a small basket type on Sat., then had a quiet Sunday with church in the morn. then a traditional ham dinner.

Cheers!


84 posted on 03/29/2005 8:51:20 AM PST by SZonian (Tagline???? I don't need no stinkin' tagline!)
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To: The Mayor
Great news Mayor!!

I went through hernia surgery a few years ago. Not a bad trip but did come down with Staph infection which was horrible.Took weeks into a couple of months for it to clear up, different antibiotics, etc.
Mrs. will probably sleep today, best thing for her.
85 posted on 03/29/2005 9:16:19 AM PST by Soaring Feather (Taxing Blues... is this a new song??)
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To: bentfeather

She is sleeping right now..

Rest is what she needs, I am running out to get her some things.
Hopefully she will stay infection free.
Thank you Feather.
How are you doing? I had pneumonia when you were down..


86 posted on 03/29/2005 9:33:59 AM PST by The Mayor ( Your decision about Jesus determines your destiny)
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To: The Mayor

I'm doing well thanks. All healed now. Thanks.

Glad you are well again.


87 posted on 03/29/2005 9:37:46 AM PST by Soaring Feather (Taxing Blues... is this a new song??)
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To: Wneighbor

Good mornin! It's good to see you! Hope all is well and that you and Myranda spent a pleasant Easter together.


88 posted on 03/29/2005 9:42:34 AM PST by msdrby (Freedom, by its nature, must be chosen and defended by its citizens.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; All

Good morning, Sam and Snippy! I hope you are doing well.

More illness in my family - the kids and I have been flat on our backs all weekend and I missed work yesterday. So thank you for an absorbing read today - I'm bookmarking this thread.

Sam, I'm curious as to your thoughts on the "re-evaluation" of the Prokhorovka battle. I know you and I have had this discussion before but it appears history may be written a little differently now.


89 posted on 03/29/2005 9:42:59 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (I'm entitled to ... bite off your left ear.)
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To: Professional Engineer

beautiful!


90 posted on 03/29/2005 9:49:29 AM PST by msdrby (Freedom, by its nature, must be chosen and defended by its citizens.)
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To: SAMWolf

91 posted on 03/29/2005 10:16:01 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Valin
1927 John McLaughlin TV commentator (McLaughlin Group)

Wrong!

92 posted on 03/29/2005 10:16:23 AM PST by Professional Engineer (My baby girl has the strongest little finger known to man.)
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To: bentfeather

Hi miss Feather. Izzit Spring yet?


93 posted on 03/29/2005 10:22:04 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Have you angered a muslim today?)
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To: Professional Engineer
Something from Rusistan:


94 posted on 03/29/2005 10:23:54 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Wneighbor

Howdy. Yer students known how to aim a scale yet?


95 posted on 03/29/2005 10:24:01 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Have you angered a muslim today?)
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To: SAMWolf; Valin
I notice he's still around, so much for the Death Penalty in California.

Unfortunately, Charlie's sentence was one of those commuted to Life, when the death penalty was overturned in the early 70's.

96 posted on 03/29/2005 10:27:35 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Have you angered a muslim today?)
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To: SAMWolf
I take it they have some sort of cover over the Shuttle's engines to make it more aerodynamic?

Of course. We couldn't have the guv'mint spending excessive amounts of $$ for fuel could we?

97 posted on 03/29/2005 10:28:49 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Have you angered a muslim today?)
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To: snippy_about_it

Howdy ma'am


98 posted on 03/29/2005 10:30:13 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Have you angered a muslim today?)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Ah yes, Buran. I don't recall if it is just slightly larger than the Shuttle, the same as everything else copied from the US.

How are you today?


99 posted on 03/29/2005 10:32:36 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Have you angered a muslim today?)
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To: Professional Engineer

"How are you today?"

I am sober.


100 posted on 03/29/2005 10:39:51 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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