Posted on 11/29/2004 10:30:22 PM PST by SAMWolf
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![]() In 1940, Italy was not yet the industrial power it has become today. The mismanagement and incompetence of the fascist regime, the lack of raw materials, above all energetic, the insufficient preparation, ... were all contributing factors to the failure of the Italian armored force. Even the high command could not grasp the role of the tanks in modern warfare. Despite the setting-up of fine-sounding "armored" divisions, the tanks were usually engaged in isolated battalions or as support of infantry. ![]() The only material that Italy had in abundance was the courage of the individual combatant. Placed in an inferior position compared to their enemies and even towards their ally, they made the most with the inadequate means put at their disposal. Italy turned out 2000 tanks from 1940 until 1943, far behind its German ally (24 000). It was no mean feat though, for a still mostly farming nation. With almost 800 units built, the M 13/40 was the Italian tank with the highest production figure of the war. Italy entered the war with 1500 tanks (more than England when it entered the War in 1939). Outside the Fiat 3000, designed during World War I, and less than hundred second grade medium tanks, they were only tankettes, of which the obsolescence was an accepted fact. ![]() M 13/40 in the El Kattra depression before the battle at El Alamein Italy had a perfectly logical way to name its tanks. There were three categories of tanks: the light (Leggero, prefix "L"), the medium (Medio, prefix "M") and the heavy ("Pesante", prefix "P"). After that prefix, a digit gave the weight of the tank, a second digit gave the year when the tank entered service. A complementary suffix could indicate special function. E.g. the L 3/35 Lf was a light tank, weighting 3 tons, entered in service in 1935, flamethrowing version (Lf for Lanciaflamme). The M 13/40 is a Medium Tank, weighting 13 tons, entered in service in 1940. ![]() The assault guns, the famous Semoventi (singular: Semovente), were named according to their gun and the hull upon which they were mounted. E.g. the Semovente 75/18 M42 was a 7.5 cm L/18 howitzer mounted on the hull of a M 15/42 tank. This system of naming started in 1940. Some older models changed their names several times during their lifetime: the CV-35 became the L 35 in 1938 and the L 3/35 in 1940). ![]() Column of M 13/40. The crews often added sand bags in front of the hull to improve the insufficient protection of the armor plates. At the end of World War I, the Italians were designing their own version of the French FT-17, the best tank of the time. It took until 1921 before the Fiat 3000 entered service. It remained the single type of tank of the Italian Army until the thirties. The craze of the tankettes, born in England, overtook Italy. On the blueprint of the Carden-Loyd tankette, the Italians built the CV 29, a faithful copy, then the CV 33, a heavier model. The CV 35 and the L 3/38, built afterwards were only evolutions of the CV-33. Those tanks were highly successful in Ethiopia in 1935. Devoid of antitank weapons, the Africans had nothing to oppose to those vehicles. With the Civil War in Spain, the picture quickly changed. ![]() The many tankettes delivered to the Nationalist side had to confront the antitank guns and the tanks made by the Russians and delivered to the Republican side. With their almost non existent armor and their grossly insufficient armament, they proved almost useless. The small changes brought by the Italians before the war did not really increase their value. In Libya, facing the British (no champions as far as tank design is concerned though), it was a complete rout. ![]() A British soldier inspects a knocked out M 11/39 in North Africa. It took until the end of 1941 for a replacement to appear, the L 6/40. Despite improvements compared to its predecessors, the time of light tanks was already over. Although it fought on all front where the Italian army was engaged, they never could net a significant success. Italy started the war with less than 100 medium tanks, the M 11/39. They were outdated even before they saw any action. Outside flimsy armor (a failing common to almost all Italian tanks until the end of the war), the main gun, an already too weak 3.7 cm gun, was installed in the hull and not in the turret. They were easy prey for the British Matilda II, at Sidi Barrani as well as at Beda Fomm or in Ethiopia. ![]() The next in line, the M 13/40, was a bit better. The 4.7 cm gun in a fully revolving turret could compare favorably to the short 5 cm of the Panzer III or the 2-pounder of British tanks of the time. In contrast, their speed and armor was substandard. It was the most widely used Italian tank during the war. With its upengined version, the M 14/41, it remained in production until 1942. The arrival of the Lee/Grant and of the Sherman from 1942 onwards meant that the role of the M 13/40 on the frontline was over. The M 15/42 that was supposed to replace them, had a better protection, but it could not take on any of its better armed and armored Anglo-Saxons counterparts (to say nothing of the Russian T-34). Its production was terminated early in March 1943. ![]() The solution should have been a "heavy" tank, the P 26/40, which started to leave the production lines in 1943. But it was not heavy neither as far as weight was concerned (with 26 tons, it was a rather light medium tank), nor as to the armor, nor the armament. The Italians had few opportunities to test it in real combat: when they capitulate, the Germans took over every built units and the production lines as well. It seems that they did not use them on the frontline. In March 1943, Italy dropped the production of tanks (except heavy ones) to concentrate on the assault guns ! For surprising it may sound, that decision was logical: the medium tanks were hopelessly outclassed by their enemies, without perspective of a turnaround. In contrast, the Semoventi, entered in service a year before, had amply proved their superiority vs. the tanks. Much more squat than their German counterparts (of which they had took their inspiration), a bit undergunned in comparison (although one Semovente had a 10.5 cm howitzer), they were fully able to take on any Anglo-Saxon tank. ![]() Semovente 75/18 engaged in North Africa in 1942 The only machines abundantly used by the Italians were the Semovente 75/18, the pioneer, with a short 7.5 cm howitzer and the Semovente 47/32, the only semovente based on a light tank, the L 6/40. Those two machines (especially the first) were so successful that it induced a change in the production policy. They took part in the combats in North Africa. New models were being issued to the units when the surrender occurred. That gave the Germans the opportunity to seize most existing Semoventi. They used on a large scale the Semovente 75/34 (a 7.5 cm L/34 gun on a M 15/42) and the Semovente 105/25 'Bassotto' (a short 10.5 cm howitzer on new M43 chassis, the Semovente with the heaviest weapon). The Germans even went on with the production of those models.
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This machine had a too light armor and its main weapon, mounted in the hull, was too weak.
Identification: All Italian Medium tanks used the same suspension with four bogies linked two by two and with two road-wheels each. The M11/39 differed from its followers by its gun installed in the hull, while the turret only contained MG.
With the 4.7 cm gun mounted in a fully revolving turret, it was the equivalent of the Panzer III in 1941.
Identification: Retains the suspension and the overall shape of the hull of the M 11/39, but the inversion of the armament (the gun in the turret and the MG in the hull for the M 13/40) differentiate the two models.
Similar to the M 14/41. The gun mounted on the M 15/42 is longer and the rear of the hull is different. The hatch is on the left side of the hull, while it is on the right side on the M 15/42.
Identification: Externally impossible to differentiate from the M 13/40
It took part in the combats in Italy in 1943 and even continued its career after the war in the post-war Italian Army.
Identification: Similar to the M 13/40 (or the M 14/41)but with a longer gun and a different engine cover at the rear of the hull. The hatch, on the left side of previous models, is on the right side of the hull of the M 15/42.
Identification: High superstructure and bow-shaped piece for the suspension of the bogies. The turret is the same as on the Autoblinda's.
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![]() The heavy Italian tank P 26/40 just before wooden model of a Jagdtiger, presented to Hitler on October 10, 1943. In the background a wooden model of the Jagdpanther is visible. Designed and developped by the Italians, this heavy Italian tank was built by the Germans and put into service under the name "P 40/37 (i)". It seems that it was never engaged on the frontline. |
Mama Mia Bump for the Treadhead Tuesday Edition of the Freeper Foxhole.
Off to work again.
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Good morning Snippy and everyone at the Foxhole.
Good morning
Read: Colossians 3:12-17
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom. Colossians 3:16
Bible In One Year: Ezekiel 37-39; 2 Peter 2
During a Sunday morning worship service, I was intrigued to see the interpreter for the deaf continue to sign during an instrumental piano offertory. After the service I asked her what she was saying during that time when no words were being spoken or sung. She said that she had signed the words to the hymn being played, and also answered questions her "audience" asked about the pianist, her style, and her training.
"Instrumental music can be a blank place in worship for the deaf," she told me. Instead of taking a break or enjoying it alone, she thought of those who couldn't hear and kept the worship service unbroken for them.
That experience broadened my understanding of Colossians 3:16, "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs." As we allow God's Word to fill our hearts and have free rein in our lives, we can share it with others through words of instruction, encouragement, and praise to the Lord. Imagine the impact it could have in our homes, in private conversations, and in worship together.
As you encourage others by sharing God's Word from your heart, it will be music to their ears. David McCasland
On This Day In History
Birthdates which occurred on November 30:
0538 St Gregory of Tours chronicler/bishop
1466 Andrea Doria Genoese statesman/admiral
1554 Philip Sidney England, poet/statesman/soldier (Arcadia)
1667 Jonathan Swift Engl, satirist (Gulliver's Travels, A Modest Proposal)
1793 Johann Lukas Schonlein helped establish scientific medicine
1810 Oliver Fisher Winchester rifle maker (Winchester)
1817 Theodor Mommsen Germany, historian/writer (Nobel 1902)
1835 Samuel Clemens [Mark Twain], author (Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn)
1863 Andres Bonifacio leader of 1896 Philippine revolt against Spain
1874 Sir Winston Churchill (C) British PM (1940-45, 1951-55, Nobel 1953)
1894 Ture Rangstrom Stockholm Sweden, composer/critic (Kronbruden)
1898 Roy (Link) Lyman NFL tackle (Chicago Bears)
1907 Jacques Barzun France, author (The House of Interlect)
1912 Gordon Parks film director/photographer/writer (Learning Tree)
1915 Henry Taube chemist (Nobel 1983)
1920 Virginia Mayo St Louis MO, actress (Out of the Blue, White Heat)
1923 Efrem Zimbalist Jr actor (77 Sunset Strip, FBI, Scruples)
1924 Allan Sherman parody singer/songwriter (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah)
1924 Shirley Chisholm (D-Rep-NY), 1st black congresswoman/presidential candidate
1926 Richard Crenna Los Angeles CA, actor (Rambo, Summer Rental, Sand Pebbles)
1927 Robert Guillaume St Louis MO, actor (Benson, Soap)
1928 Rex Reason Berlin Germany, actor (This Island Earth)
1929 Joan Ganz Cooney Phoenix AZ, TV exec (Children's TV Workshop)
1930 G Gordon Liddy Watergate felon, radio talk-show host
1931 Jack Ging Alva Ok, actor (11th Hour, Ripcord, Tales of Wells Fargo)
1031 Davey Jones rocker (Monkees-Daydream Believer, Last Train To Clarksville, I'm A Believer)
1931 Jack Sheldon Jacksonville FL, actor (Run Buddy Run, Merv Griffin)
1933 Linwood C Ivey NC, (Mayor-Garysburg NC)
1936 Abbie Hoffman aka Free, Yippie-communist/activist/author (Steal this Book)
1937 Paul Stookey Baltimore MD, singer (Peter, Paul & Mary-Wedding Song)
1937 Richard Threlkeld newscaster (ABC-TV)
1939 Walter Weller Vienna Austria, conductor (Vienna Tonkusteler Orchestra)
1947 David Mamet US playwright/director (Speed the Plow, House of Games)
1949 Arthur Lee Washington Jr one of FBI's most wanted
1950 Paul Westphal NBA guard (Boston Celtics, Phoenix Suns)
1951 Dian Parkinson TV model (Price is Right)
1952 Mandy Patinkin actor/singer (Yentl, Alien Nation)
1953 Shuggie (Johnny) Otis, Jr. (blues musician)
1954 June Pointer singer (Pointer Sisters-I'm So excited)
1962 Bo Jackson baseball/football player (Kansas City Royals, Los Angeles Raiders)
"The Italian tanks during the war were below-average. Yet, they produced some of the finest tank destroyers. Their first products were ahead of their German contemporaries."
That's strange, it seems to me that there's not that much difference between a tank and a tank destroyer.
Off to work again.
There has to be a better way to make a living than working, know any billionaire widows?
Morning E.G.C.
Cloudy and cold again today.
"Instrumental music can be a blank place in worship for the deaf," she told me. Instead of taking a break or enjoying it alone, she thought of those who couldn't hear and kept the worship service unbroken for them.
A very thoughtful person, God bless her.
What General Weygand called the Battle of France is over. I expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this Island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was their finest hour."
It's cloudy and cold here too, but it's clearing up the sun's going to try to come out sometime today.
We didn't get much in the way of precipatation. Our forecast low tonight is the upper 20's.
How's it going, Snippy?
Early in the war most countries didn't have specially built tank destroyers, IIRC the Germans and Italians were among the first.
We stayed in the upper 30's and lower 40's yesterday. "Someone" complained about how cold it was all day. ;-)
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