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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - Tankettes (Part I) - Britain and Poland - Nov. 9th, 2004
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Posted on 11/08/2004 11:34:58 PM PST by SAMWolf



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British Tankettes




After the First World War many military minds considered the problem of avoiding another trench stalemate. One proposed solution was for every infantryman to have his own bullet-proof personal cross country vehicle. In 1925 Major (later Lt.Gen) Le Q Martel built such a machine at his own expense and offered it to the War Deparment. The War Dept was sufficiently interested to commision Morris Motors to build four more such vehicles, one of them a two-seater. Interest in the Morris-Martel tankettes also drew attention to a similar one man vehicle built by Carden-Loyd Tractors.


Carden-Loyd Mark II One Man Tankette


Trials soon established that the one man designs were not particularly practical, since most crewmen could not effectively shoot and drive at the same time. Eight two-man prototypes of both makes of tankette were attached to the Experimental Mechanised Force, with the intention of testing them as Scout vehicles. The Two-man Carden-Loyd Mk VI was adopted for service in 1928. Intended tactical role had once again changed, and the vehicle was now intended to be a machine gun carrier.


Carden-Loyd Two Man Tankette


The Carden-Loyd Tankette was one of the great success stories of the interwar years. It weighed less than 2 tons and was reasonably relieable. More importantly, it was very cheap to produce, and important consideration in the lean financial climate of the 20s and 30s. Many other nations brought Carden-Loyd tankettes, and some were used as the basis for various light tank designs. In British service it was mainly intended to carry machine guns or mortars, and it was soon realised that the combat capability of these tiny vehicles was rather modest.


Carden-Loyd Mark V Two Man Tankette


As a result most vehicles were used more and more in a utility role. The increasing mechanization of the British army and diversification of vehicle applications meant that a more versatile and more capable vehicle than the tankette was needed. Vickers-Armstrong Ltd had absorbed Carden-Loyd prior to the adoption of the Mk VI so offered the VA D50 as a replacement in 1934. This vehicle was intended to act as an anti-tank or field gun tractor or a machine gun carrier. Fold down seating in the rear allowed a gun crew or dismount machine gun team to be carried in addition to the two man vehicle crew.


Carden-Loyd Mark IV Two Man Tankette


The VA D50 underwent various modifications and name changes, including the adoption of the new Bren Gun in place of the Vickers MMG. In 1938 it was adopted for service in three variants, a fourth being added in 1939.

Martel, Morris-Martel One Man Tankette


The idea was never put to the test and so the inter-war years were that of "what will happen next?". Some ideas were good, much was fantasy - as was this idea.


Morris-Martel One Man Tankette


A theory was put forward by the great French tank enthusiast General Estienne, who helped design France's first tank and a proponent of the light tank, of the idea of skirmishers armed with light tanks rushing an enemy position. The idea was that the massive onslaught by a high speed, protected group of soldiers would be unstoppable in action. Col. (Later Major General) J.F.C. Fuller revived the idea after WW1 and a debate began. Major (later Lt. General) Sir Gifford Le. Q. Martel undertook the idea and in 1925 built the tankette shown above in his garage. The engine came from a Maxwell and the axel came from a Ford truck. The tracks came from the Roadless Traction Company. The body was made from wood. After a demonstration to the War Office, authorization was obtained for Morris Commercial Motors to build 4 test models. The first was delivered in 1926. In 1927 eight more machines were ordered and were to be used as scout machines of a new experimental force being formed. The idea was dropped shortly after that period as it was found that a single man had difficulty operating these machines and firing a weapon at the same time. One machine was tested with a single rear tire for steering.

Morris-Martel Two Man Tankette



Morris-Martel Two Man Tankette


More of the same here! This was an idea to squeeze all the possibilities out of the design. Basically this was better than the first unit as far as human (ergonomics) conditions go.

Crossley-Martel One Man Tankette


Here, Crossley gets in on the idea. During 1927 the Martel idea was tried at Crossley with a few orginal ideas. A Citroen-Kegresse was fitted as was rubber tracks.

Carden-Loyd One Man Tankette



Carden-Loyd One Man Tankette


Publicity caused the Carden-Loyd Tractors LTD firm to get involved. This vehicle, built at Kensington in 1925 was presented to the War Office. The War Office then ordered one test vehicle built.

Carden-Loyd Mark I


Although it is not properly speaking a tank of World War II, the tankettes Carden-Loyd must be evoked, because they had a major influence on the design of light tanks between both World Wars and their descendants were the most numerous machines in the armored forces of most nations in 1939.


Carden-Loyd Mark I, Mark I* (Star) One Man Tankette


It all started in 1925 when Major Martel, of the British Army, built and exhibited a one-man tankette. Made of cheap commercial components, it was fast and many could be procured for the price of a single tank.

Heartened by the publicity received by this prototype, the "Carden-Loyd Tractor Company" proposed to the War Office its own version of a one-man tankette, which was accepted.

Carden-Loyd Mark VI Two Man Tankette


One of the most famous vehicles in the history of armor, and the father of an entire generation of armor worldwide. Purchased throughout the world, reproduced, copied, studied, this vehicle gave spawn to a host of ideas, and a false sense of safety and power to many nations who relied on these vehicles in WW2. Great Britain was one of the few nations to more properly see the role of this light vehicle. Nations that used, copied, and varied on this design (with and without license) were: France (UE series), Italy (CV series), USSR (T27), Poland (TK series), Czechoslovakia (MU4). Dozens more nations simply had Carden-Loyd manufacture the vehicle to their own specifications.


Carden-Loyd Mark VI Two Man Tankette


The version Mark VI is the most successful of the Carden-Lyod tankettes. In the British army itself, it was the forbear of most light tanks built before the war. The fact that these descendants did not bear the name "Carden-Lyod" had all to do with the taking over of that company by Vickers-Armstrong.



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To: Grzegorz 246

Cool, I 'm not familiar with that one!


101 posted on 11/09/2004 9:19:35 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: Grzegorz 246
I know the Russians were big on Armored trains.


102 posted on 11/09/2004 9:23:00 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: U S Army EOD

LOL! I knew what you meant. ;-)


103 posted on 11/09/2004 9:23:38 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: U S Army EOD
The M901A3 Improved TOW Vehicle (ITV) is a weapon system using present TOW components, mounted on a modified M113A3. It incorporates the RISE powerpack and improved driver controls. The TOW components are mounted in a launcher platform that is attached to a modified M27 cupola.

An elevating mechanism positions the launcher platform into reload and elevated positions. The system is capable of firing two missiles without reloading and carries ten TOW rounds in the missile rack. Maximum protection is provided the crew during reload.

104 posted on 11/09/2004 9:26:19 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

LOL! I figure sooner or later "transformers" will be a reality.


105 posted on 11/09/2004 9:27:11 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: Professional Engineer

I want to drive the tankette. ;-)


106 posted on 11/09/2004 9:28:07 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: Professional Engineer

I missed it. :-(


107 posted on 11/09/2004 9:28:35 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: wildcatf4f3

I know that feeling. ;-)


108 posted on 11/09/2004 9:29:04 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Evening Cannoneer No. 4.

Tankette sounds like a cute handle for a tanker's wife.

I don't think tankers are that dumb. ;-)

109 posted on 11/09/2004 9:30:31 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Thanks for the bio on Captain Sijan, PE.


110 posted on 11/09/2004 9:31:07 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: Matthew Paul
Nowadays, on the Polish websites you will read that U.S. troops rather play with terrorists than fight them indeed.

There's some here who feel that way too. PC is a hell of a way to fight a war.

111 posted on 11/09/2004 9:32:22 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: Matthew Paul
That's an absolute record in Europe and can't be compared to any other country.

IMHO it's a record to be proud of.

112 posted on 11/09/2004 9:33:32 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: colorado tanker

Thanks for the link CT.


113 posted on 11/09/2004 9:33:59 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: colorado tanker
It's SO nice not to have wall to wall political ads on TV and radio.

AMEN!

114 posted on 11/09/2004 9:34:29 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: Matthew Paul

Thanks for telling us about Smialy.


115 posted on 11/09/2004 9:35:26 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Evening Victoria.

I wish Kerry would have resigned from the Senate to run.


116 posted on 11/09/2004 9:36:36 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: SAMWolf

Good and interesting post. Thanks


117 posted on 11/09/2004 9:36:48 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Where is Terry McAuliffe?)
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To: Matthew Paul

I've heard about that Polish anti-tank rifle. Very, very effective for the time.


118 posted on 11/09/2004 9:38:17 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: Matthew Paul

Cool. I bet we never get to see that movie here in the States. :-(


119 posted on 11/09/2004 9:39:25 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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To: PhilDragoo
Evening Phil Dragoo

Snippy is laughing her butt off. I hope I'm in the drivers seat. :-)

Love the Specter graphic, Let's hope he doesn't get the Judiciary Committee

120 posted on 11/09/2004 9:43:22 PM PST by SAMWolf (Failure is not an option! It comes bundled with the software.)
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