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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Mexican-American War (1846-1847) - Aug. 12th, 2004
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Posted on 08/11/2004 10:39:29 PM PDT by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.


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The War with Mexico


The Mexican War between the United States and Mexico began with a Mexican attack on American troops along the southern border of Texas on Apr. 25, 1846. Fighting ended when U.S. Gen. Winfield Scott occupied Mexico City on Sept. 14, 1847; a few months later a peace treaty was signed (Feb. 2, 1848) at Guadalupe Hidalgo. In addition to recognizing the U.S. annexation of Texas defeated Mexico ceded California and , New Mexico (including all the present-day states of the Southwest) to the United States.



BACKGROUND


As with all major events, historical interpretations concerning the causes of the Mexican War vary. Simply stated, a dictatorial Centralist government in Mexico began the war because of the U.S. annexation (1845) of Texas, which Mexico continued to claim despite the establishment of the independent republic of Texas 10 years before. Some historians have argued, however, that the United States provoked the war by annexing Texas and, more deliberately, by stationing an army at the mouth of the Rio Grande. Another, related, interpretation maintains that the administration of U.S. President James K. Polk forced Mexico to war in order to seize California and the Southwest. A minority believes the war arose simply out of Mexico's failure to pay claims for losses sustained by U.S. citizens during the Mexican War of Independence.

Mexican Politics


At the time of the war, Mexico had a highly unstable government. The federal constitution of 1824 had been abrogated in 1835 and replaced by a centralized dictatorship. Two diametrically opposed factions had arisen: the Federalists, who supported a constitutional democracy; and the Centralists, who supported an autocratic government under a monarch or dictator. Various clashing parties of Centralists were in control of the government from 1835 to December 1844. During that time numerous rebellions and insurgencies occurred within Mexican territory, including the temporary disaffection of California and the Texas Revolution, which resulted in the independence (1836) of Texas.


Jose Joaquin Herrera


In December 1844 a coalition of moderates and Federalists forced the dictator Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna into exile and installed Jose Joaquin Herrera as acting president of Mexico. The victory was a short-lived, uneasy one. Although Santa Anna himself was in Cuba, other Centralists began planning the overthrow of Herrera, and the U.S. annexation of Texas in 1845 provided them with a jingoistic cause.

U.S. Policy



James K. Polk


The U.S. annexation of Texas, by a joint congressional resolution (Feb. 27-28, 1845), had caused considerable political debate in the United States. The desire of the Texas Republic to join the United States had been blocked for several years by antislavery forces, who feared that several new slave states would be created from the Texas territory. The principal factor that led the administration of John Tyler to take action was British interest in independent Texas. Indeed, anti-British feeling lay behind most of the expansionist policy statements of the United States in this period. James Polk won the 1844 presidential election by advocating a belligerent stand against Britain on the Oregon Question. Once in office he declared that "the people of this continent alone have the right to decide their own destiny." About the same time the term Manifest Destiny came into vogue to describe what was regarded as a God-given right to expand U.S. territory. The term was applied particularly to the Oregon dispute, but it had relevance also to California, where American settlers warned of British intrigues to take control, and to Texas.

The Mexican Response and the Slidell Mission


As early as August 1843, Santa Anna's government had informed the United States that it would "consider equivalent to a declaration of war . . . the passage of an act for the incorporation of Texas." The government of Herrera did not take this militant position. It had already initiated steps, encouraged by the British, to recognize the independence of the Republic of Texas, and although Santa Anna's lame-duck minister in Washington broke diplomatic relations with the U.S. government immediately after annexation, in August 1845 the Herrera government indicated willingness to resume relations. Not only was the Herrera government prepared to accept the loss of Texas, but it also hoped to lay to rest the claims question that had plagued U.S.-Mexican affairs since 1825. Britain and France had used force, or the threat of it, to induce the Mexican government to pay their claims on behalf of their citizens. The United States, however, preferred to negotiate, and the negotiations had dragged on interminably.


Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna


Fearing that American patience was running short, Herrera seemed determined to settle the issue. He requested that the United States send a minister plenipotentiary to Mexico, and President Polk appointed John Slidell.

Slidell's authority, however, may have exceeded Herrera's intentions. Slidell was authorized to purchase California and New Mexico from Mexico and to settle the Texas boundary, which was a source of dispute even with the Mexican moderates. While the Republic of Texas had claimed the Rio Grande as its boundary, the adjacent Mexican state of Tamaulipas claimed the area north of the Rio Grande to the Nueces River.


John Slidell


By the time Slidell arrived in Mexico in December 1845, the Herrera government was under intense fire from the Centralists for its moderate foreign policies. The Centralist strategy was to appeal to Mexican national pride as a means of ousting Herrera. During August 1845 their leader, Mariano Parades y Arrillaga, began to demand an attack on the United States. When Slidell arrived, Herrera, in an effort to save his government, refused to meet with him. A few days later (December 14), Parades issued a revolutionary manifesto; he entered Mexico City at the head of an army on Jan. 2, 1846. Herrera fled, and Parades, who assumed the presidency on January 4, ordered Slidell out of Mexico.


Cavalry soldier and Infantry Lieutenant, US Army Regulars, 1847. Courtesy of the US Army Center for Military History


After the failure of the Slidell mission, Polk ordered Zachary Taylor to move his army to the mouth of the Rio Grande and to prepare to defend Texas from invasion. Taylor did so, arriving at the Rio Grande on Mar. 28, 1846. Abolitionists in the United States, who had opposed the annexation of Texas as a slave state, claimed that the move to the Rio Grande was a hostile and aggressive act by Polk to provoke a war with Mexico to add new slave territory to the United States.


Mariano Parades y Arrillaga


Whatever Polk's precise intentions were, for the Centralists in Mexico the annexation of Texas had been sufficient cause for war; they saw no disputed boundary--Mexico owned all of Texas. Before Taylor had moved to the Rio Grande, Parades had begun mobilizing troops and had reiterated his intention of attacking. On April 4 the new dictator of Mexico ordered the attack on Taylor. When his commander at Matamoros delayed, Parades replaced him, issued a declaration of war (April 23), and reordered the attack.



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To: SAMWolf

Hiya Sam.


81 posted on 08/12/2004 10:13:33 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (You're not really a Rocket Scientist are you?)
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To: The Mayor

RE: #29...Thanks Mayor

One can only hope, one can only hope

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


82 posted on 08/12/2004 10:15:40 AM PDT by alfa6
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To: snippy_about_it
Thinking of changing careers? :-)

Being wistful more than anything. If I were footloose and fancy free, it might be another story.

83 posted on 08/12/2004 10:16:13 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (You're not really a Rocket Scientist are you?)
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To: SAMWolf

Gaaa!
True!


84 posted on 08/12/2004 10:17:15 AM PDT by Darksheare (I'll bayonet your snowmen and beat you down with a chinese yo-yo!!)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
The first war in which steamboats played an important role.

It was Christmas 1844. I had taken my boat up the Rio Grande, deep into Mexican territory. The Mexicans were shooting their weapons all around me to celebrate Christmas. President Polk denied we were even there! This is seared, seared into my memory.

Wanna see my lucky hat? An agent I dropped off on a secret mission gave it to me.

85 posted on 08/12/2004 11:25:05 AM PDT by colorado tanker (shove it!)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it

Once, when we were driving down to New Mexico, I told the kids as we passed over the Arkansas River bridge that we were going over the old boundary between the U.S. and Mexico. They couldn't decide if I was kidding or not.


86 posted on 08/12/2004 11:35:27 AM PDT by colorado tanker (shove it!)
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To: colorado tanker
Wanna see my lucky hat?

ROTFLOL. You are funny!

87 posted on 08/12/2004 12:53:57 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: colorado tanker

Afternoon CT.

ROTFLMAO! We're really having a lot of fun with Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia.


88 posted on 08/12/2004 12:58:57 PM PDT by SAMWolf (When their numbers dwindled from 50 to 8, the dwarfs began to suspect "Hungry")
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf

Check out this thread. More fun at "Christmas in Cambodia" Kerry's expense! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1190314/posts


89 posted on 08/12/2004 1:30:37 PM PDT by colorado tanker (shove it!)
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To: SAMWolf

Today's classic warship, USS Mary Pope (SP-291)

USS Mary Pope, a 52-foot patrol craft, was built in 1915 at Morris Heights, New York, as the civilian motor boat Manitee. Renamed Madge and Mary Pope while in use as a pleasure craft, she was acquired by the Navy in July 1917 and placed in commission a month later. She served through the rest of the First World War on patrol duties. Stricken from the Navy list in late March 1919, Mary Pope was awaiting sale when she was destroyed by a hurricane at Key West, Florida, on 10 September 1919.

91 posted on 08/12/2004 4:12:35 PM PDT by aomagrat (Where arms are not to be carried, it is well to carry arms.")
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To: colorado tanker

LOL. Thanks for the link. He's such a joke.


92 posted on 08/12/2004 4:19:16 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Matthew Paul

Hi Matt. I wonder why we bleed for them, too. I often wish we could just pound them and get the heck out. This changing hearts and minds just won't work and we are tip toeing around getting rid of the threat.


93 posted on 08/12/2004 4:20:52 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: aomagrat

Thanks aomagrat. Looks like it would have been a fun boat to own.


94 posted on 08/12/2004 4:21:54 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf

Speaking of Kerry,(do I have to) I first saw this on Blackfive' s blog...

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2004/08/the_night_befor.html

and I see that it has made it to FR as well...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1190149/posts

so here goes.......

The Night Before Christmas (Cambodian Version)

Twas the night before Christmas and we were afloat
Somewhere in Cambodia in our little boat.
While the river was lightened by rockets red glare
No one but the President knew we were there.

The crew was all nestled deep down in their bunks,
While the Spook and I watched the sampans and junks.
Our mission was secret, so secret in fact,
No one else would remember it when we got back.

When out on the water there arose such a clatter
I leaped down from the bridge to see what was the matter.
The incoming friendly was starting to flash
And I knew that the ARVN's were having a bash.

The snap of friendly fire on the warm tropic air
Convinced me for sure no one knew we were there,
On a clandestine mission so secret it's true
That I'm still convinced only Tricky Dick knew.

While I huddled for safety in the tub on the bow,
I thought of a title, "Apocalypse Now."
To give to the films I was I making each day
To show all the voters when I made my big play.

As I sat there sweating in my lucky flight jacket,
Spook said, "Merry Christmas!" and tossed me a packet.
And what to my wondering eyes did appear,
But a new lucky cap, which I still have right here.

I keep it tucked here, in this leather brief case,
Just sharing with the press its secretive place
As I regale them again with my senate refrain,
That Christmas in Cambodia is seared into my brain.

Don't bother to quibble with history my friend,
By pointing out Johnson was President then.
Don't listen to Swiftees who try to explain,
For I tell you that night is seared into my brain.

Down Hibbard, down Lonsdale, and you too O'Neill,
So you don't remember? Well it's something I feel.
I don't need all you Swiftvets to support my campaign,
Cause Christmas in Cambodia is seared into my brain,

Into my brain, into my brain, into my brain...

Russ Vaughn
2d Bn, 327th Parachute Infantry Regiment
101st Airborne Division
Vietnam 65-66

thank heavens for Control C, eh

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


95 posted on 08/12/2004 5:38:13 PM PDT by alfa6
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To: colorado tanker

LOL! Very good.


96 posted on 08/12/2004 7:03:52 PM PDT by SAMWolf (When their numbers dwindled from 50 to 8, the dwarfs began to suspect "Hungry")
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To: Matthew Paul

Evening Matt.

If they stuck to just killing each other I wouldn't give a rat's patootie. The problem is they're trying to kill us and we need to make sure we get them first in their homes.


97 posted on 08/12/2004 7:06:12 PM PDT by SAMWolf (When their numbers dwindled from 50 to 8, the dwarfs began to suspect "Hungry")
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To: aomagrat

Evening aomagrat.

Interesting boat today.


98 posted on 08/12/2004 7:07:07 PM PDT by SAMWolf (When their numbers dwindled from 50 to 8, the dwarfs began to suspect "Hungry")
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To: alfa6

LOL! Kerry is such a liar and a dork. Ridiculing him could become the new National Pastime.


99 posted on 08/12/2004 7:09:00 PM PDT by SAMWolf (When their numbers dwindled from 50 to 8, the dwarfs began to suspect "Hungry")
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To: SAMWolf; ladtx

Book TV.org
In Depth: Jeff Shaara

http://www.booktv.org/feature/index.asp?schedid=209&segid=3825

It's a couple of hours but really good.


100 posted on 08/12/2004 8:15:59 PM PDT by Valin (John Kerry: Dumber than Gore, more exciting than Mondale)
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