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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - M3 Lee Medium Tank - May 4th, 2004
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Posted on 05/04/2004 12:00:06 AM PDT by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.


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Medium Tank M3 Lee Series




Design/Production


To match the newest German tanks there was a need for a tank that could carry a 75 mm gun. The M3 was ordered straight from the drawing board and Baldwin and the American Locomotive Company each made pilot models by April 1941. Production began in August 1941 and ended in December 1942.

It was intended only as a stopgap tank before the M4 Shermans arrived. When the M4 started production the M3 was designated Substitute Standard in October 1941. In April 1943, they were classified as Limited Standard and in April 1944 were classified as obsolete.



Chrysler leased a 113 acre site for a new factory in Warren, Michigan.

The turret could be rotated by hydraulics or by hand. The cupola normally rotated with the turret but could be rotated by hand.

The driver and radio operator occupied the front of the hull. The 75 mm gunner sat on the left of the gun. The 37 mm gunner, gun loader and commander were in the turret. Both guns had gyrostabilizers and periscopic sights. The driver's door and the pistol ports had protectoscopes for indirect vision.

An auxiliary generator provided electricity when needed.



75 mm gun had muzzle velocity of 1,920 ft/sec, range of 13,090 yards, and penetrate 2.9 inches at 1,000 yards.

37 mm gun had muzzle velocity of 2,900 ft/sec, range of 12,850 yards, and penetrate 1.8 inches at 1,000 yards.

Medium Tank M3 Lee


Date of first acceptance: June 1941


The riveted construction of the medium tank M3 is obvious here. This vehicle is not fitted with stabilization since it lacks counterweights on the 37mm or short 75mm M2 guns. The machine gun in the commander's cupola is present in its right aperture, and one of the driver's hull machine guns has been retained. Track grousers are stored in the box below the driver's hatch, and the tank's siren is positioned below the 75mm gun. Here the crew, Cpl. Larry Corletti, Pvt. Murril Chapman, and Pvt. Louis Robles, practice dismounting from a disabled vehicle. (Picture taken 12 Feb 1943 by Sgt. Calvano; available from the U.S. Army Center of Military History.)


Initial production type with riveted hull, cast turret, and side doors. Production of this model ceased Aug. 1942.

The medium tank M3 was based on the medium tank M2, utilizing its suspension, power train, and other mechanical parts. The British version of the M3 was dubbed cruiser tank Grant I, and differed in some details. The main armament of the tank, the 75mm gun, was mounted in the right-hand sponson since no turret capable of holding a 75mm gun had yet been designed in the US. The M3 medium tank was an interim design until the medium tank M4 could enter production with its 75mm gun turret. The M3 was called Lee I by the British. Late-production tanks had the doors originally on each hull side eliminated in favor of a floor escape hatch, and one of the driver's fixed machine guns was deleted as well; the resulting hole was filled with a steel plug. The crew of late M3s was reduced to six men when the driver also took over the role of radio operator. Very late production M3s had new heavy-duty suspension bogies with 8" (20cm) instead of 7" (18cm) volute springs, and the track return rollers were moved to the rear of the new bogies. Late vehicles also had the 75mm gun periscope replaced with a telescopic sight, and another periscope was installed above the driver's position. The armament of late-model tanks included the M3 75mm gun and M6 37mm gun.



Tanks with stabilization systems installed can be differentiated from those without by the presence of a cylindrical counterweight under the 37mm gun, and a counterweight at the end of the 75mm gun barrel if the tank is armed with the shorter 75mm gun M2. The longer 75mm gun M3 did not require a counterweight to be compatible with the gyrostabilizer.

The difference in the 37mm and 75mm guns is as follows: The 37mm gun M5 was 6" (15cm) shorter than the M6, and the M5 had a manually-operated breechblock instead of the M6's semiautomatic breechblock. The 75mm gun M2 had a shorter barrel than the M3 and had a vertical breechblock to the M3's horizontal breechblock. Otherwise, the 75mm guns were identical.

Medium Tank M3A1 Lee


Date of first acceptance: January 1942


This cast, smooth-lined M3A1 is armed with the short-barreled 75mm gun M2, and since neither it nor the 37mm guns are fitted with counterweights, this tank also lacks stabilization. The holes can be seen for the hull-mounted machine guns. This tank also has the early suspension bogies which have the return roller on top of the brace. The aperture to the left of the 37mm gun was for the gunner's periscope. The machine gun in the cupola emerged from the right opening; the left was for a vision slot. There is a ventilator above the pistol port in the front of the hull, and there are antenna mounts behind the turret and behind the front hull pistol port. This tank is wearing the T48 rubber chevron tracks.


Cast hull. Late models had escape hatch in hull floor instead of side doors. Produced by American Locomotive Company.

Except for the cast upper hull, the M3A1 was largely identical to the M3. The door in the right side hull roof was placed on the rear slope of the 75mm gun sponson. This hatch was hinged from the front on early vehicles, and opened to the rear on later models. The British referred to M3A1 as Lee II. Twenty-eight M3A1s were completed with the Guiberson T-1400-2 diesel engine, and were designated as M3A1(diesel).

Medium Tank M3A2 Lee


Date of first acceptance: January 1942


M3A2 Lee


All welded hull. Baldwin started production but after 12, a new engine was installed, became M3A3.

The M3A2 was identical to the M3 except for the M3A2's welded hull. The British designation for M3A2 was Lee III.

Medium Tank M3A5 Lee


Date of first acceptance: January 1942


Most of the identifying features for M3A5 are on the rear of the vehicle, since the major difference between M3A5 and M3 is that the former is powered by twin diesel engines rather than the radial gasoline engine. This tank is not fitted with stabilization since it lacks counterweights under the 37mm gun and around the end of the short 75mm gun M2's barrel. It also is running on the T49 parallel bar steel tracks. (Picture from Development of Armored Vehicles, volume 1: Tanks.)


Riveted hull. Late production models had longer M3 75mm gun.

The radial gasoline engines of previous medium tanks M3 were also needed for training aircraft, and an engine shortage was foreseen. To help with the situation, the General Motors 6046 was created. The GM 6046 diesel engine was a pair of GM 6-71 truck engines, each of which could be operated independently if so required. The engines were meshed together on a helical gear which was mounted on a propellor shaft connecting to the tank's transmission. The side and rear armor plates on diesel-engined M3s extended below the level of the track return run, and the rear hull plate was sloped to accomodate the larger diesel engine. The engine compartment was accessed through a single lower rear plate instead of the twin doors on the radial-engined M3s. An exhaust deflector was installed to reduce the dust signature of the tank, and two armored doors with air intake louvres were installed over the tank's engine compartment. The M3A5 was borne out of the dire shortage of tanks which necessitated the installation of the diesel engine in riveted-hull tanks as well as welded-hull vehicles. M3A5 was referred to by the British as Grant II.

Medium Tank M3A3 Lee


Date of first acceptance: March 1942


M3A3 was essentially an M3A5 with a welded rather than riveted hull. The sharp lines on the hull of this tank indicates that it has been welded rather than cast. (Picture from Development of Armored Vehicles, volume 1: Tanks.)


All welded hull. Side doors welded or eliminated.

The M3A3 was a welded-hull Lee with the GM 6046 diesel engine. The British called diesel-engined M3A3s Lee V and Continental-engined M3A3s Lee IV. This may only be a paper designation, as no M3A3s were produced with the Continental R975. The British, trying to keep pace with the plethora of tank types emerging from the US, reserved designations for expected production models. Lee IV is apparently just such a designation that was reserved but whose vehicle never saw production.

Medium Tank M3A4 Lee


Date of first acceptance: June 1942


The large Chrysler multibank engine installed in M3A4 necessitated a longer hull to fit in the tank. The distance between the bogies was also therefore increased, and the rear deck roof and engine compartment floor had bulges to accomodate the A57 engine. (Picture from Development of Armored Vehicles, volume 1: Tanks.)


Riveted hull. Side doors eliminated. Due to shortage of tank engines Chrysler combined 5 car engines together to provide power.

The M3A4's A57 engine was actually five Chrysler automobile engines geared to run as a single motor, and was devised to help alleviate the shortage of tank engines. The size of this conglomeration required extending the hull of the M3A4. There is a distinctive space between the suspension bogies of M3A4s which is about 6" (15cm) longer than that of other M3s. Bulges in the engine compartment floor and roof accomodated the A57's fan and radiator, respectively. M3A4 was called Lee VI by the British.



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To: CholeraJoe
LOL! Evening CholeraJoe.
101 posted on 05/04/2004 7:18:06 PM PDT by SAMWolf (For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened. Small stain.)
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To: The Mayor
Evening Mayor. Watching a beautiful sun starting to set.
102 posted on 05/04/2004 7:18:31 PM PDT by SAMWolf (For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened. Small stain.)
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To: snippy_about_it

I like the way they look like they just kept stacking turrets up.

103 posted on 05/04/2004 7:22:44 PM PDT by SAMWolf (For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened. Small stain.)
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To: SAMWolf
suns been down here for 2 1/2 hrs.
still chilly only 45 degrees.
will summer ever come.
104 posted on 05/04/2004 7:24:11 PM PDT by The Mayor (A true friend helps you keep going when you feel like giving up.)
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To: The Mayor; snippy_about_it
I'll see if Snippy lets me send it your way.:-)
105 posted on 05/04/2004 7:45:26 PM PDT by SAMWolf (For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened. Small stain.)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
she won't let you, she wants it all to herself.

Thats ok tho, I'll see it before you two in the morning..

Good Night, off to bed..
106 posted on 05/04/2004 8:03:13 PM PDT by The Mayor (A true friend helps you keep going when you feel like giving up.)
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To: The Mayor
Night Mayor.
107 posted on 05/04/2004 8:28:15 PM PDT by SAMWolf (For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened. Small stain.)
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To: SAMWolf
Makes sense! As a woman I'm much easier to scare! Just like Frenchmen.
108 posted on 05/04/2004 8:39:03 PM PDT by WaterDragon
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To: The Mayor
she won't let you, she wants it all to herself.

It's mine, all mine!


Sunrise over Mt. Hood

109 posted on 05/04/2004 8:55:43 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: colorado tanker
How could anybody not know by now???

Huh? What? You mean Kerry was in Vietnam...no, really?

110 posted on 05/04/2004 8:57:25 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: WaterDragon
But we know you'd never surrender!
111 posted on 05/04/2004 8:58:30 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
And people say you're dumber than a post. Well don't you believe it! You are (IMHO) every bit as smart as any post I've ever seen..and 10-15 points smarter than a good 60% of them.
So if anyone says different just send them to me. I'll set them straight.


Remember I'm here for you.
112 posted on 05/04/2004 9:51:42 PM PDT by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: snippy_about_it
And here's the latest on the french looking candidate
Kerry Purple Heart Doc Speaks Out
National Review Online May 04, 2004 Byron York
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1129562/posts

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Kerry was treated for the wound at a medical facility in Cam Ranh Bay. The doctor who treated Kerry, Louis Letson, is today a retired general practitioner in Alabama. Letson says he remembers his brief encounter with Kerry 35 years ago because "some of his crewmen related that Lt. Kerry had told them that he would be the next JFK from Massachusetts." Letson says that last year, as the Democratic campaign began to heat up, he told friends that he remembered treating one of the candidates many years ago. In response to their questions, Letson says, he wrote down his recollections of the time. (Letson says he has had no contacts with anyone from the Bush campaign or the Republican party.) What follows is Letson's memory, as he wrote it.

I have a very clear memory of an incident which occurred while I was the Medical Officer at Naval Support Facility, Cam Ranh Bay. John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat, newly arrived in Vietnam. On the night of December 2, he was on patrol north of Cam Ranh, up near Nha Trang area. The next day he came to sick bay, the medical facility, for treatment of a wound that had occurred that night.

The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight, receiving small arms fire from on shore. He said that his injury resulted from this enemy action.

Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks.

That seemed to fit the injury which I treated.

What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle.

I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.

The wound was covered with a bandaid.

Oh the pain he must of suffered!
113 posted on 05/04/2004 9:56:08 PM PDT by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: Valin
sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

I watched the press conference by Veterans for the Truth on C-span today. If they are talking about the first purple heart it was from a mortar Kerry set off himself.

What a .... a... Heck, I can't think of anything nice to say.

114 posted on 05/04/2004 10:13:55 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: WaterDragon
Before effective anti-tank weapons, it had to be real hard to stand your ground against armor. Even with them it's tough.
115 posted on 05/04/2004 10:17:41 PM PDT by SAMWolf (For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened. Small stain.)
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To: Valin
You are (IMHO) every bit as smart as any post I've ever seen..and 10-15 points smarter than a good 60% of them.

I can verify that too!

116 posted on 05/04/2004 10:18:29 PM PDT by SAMWolf (For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened. Small stain.)
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To: Valin
Thanks Valin. I watched the PRess Conference of SwiftVets and his first Commander says he denied the Purple Heart for a "scratch" but it was awarded later by someone else.
117 posted on 05/04/2004 10:19:44 PM PDT by SAMWolf (For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened. Small stain.)
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To: SAMWolf; Iris7
And how thick is the concrete pad?
118 posted on 05/04/2004 10:32:41 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Valin
And people say you're dumber than a post.

LOL. They do, do they? Is that better than saying your dumber than a box of rocks?

every bit as smart as any post I've ever seen..and 10-15 points smarter than a good 60% of them.

10-15 points? 60%? Whose side are you on? I'm at least smarter than half of 'em. :-)

Remember I'm here for you.

Awww, thanks. My knight in shining armor.


119 posted on 05/04/2004 10:37:05 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf
I can verify that too!

LOL. Thanks for the vote of confidence partner.

120 posted on 05/04/2004 10:38:16 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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