Free Republic
Browse · Search
VetsCoR
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - German Tank Destroyers - Apr. 27th, 2004
www.wargamer.com ^

Posted on 04/27/2004 12:00:23 AM PDT by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
.

FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.


...................................................................................... ...........................................

U.S. Military History, Current Events and Veterans Issues

Where Duty, Honor and Country
are acknowledged, affirmed and commemorated.

Our Mission:

The FReeper Foxhole is dedicated to Veterans of our Nation's military forces and to others who are affected in their relationships with Veterans.

In the FReeper Foxhole, Veterans or their family members should feel free to address their specific circumstances or whatever issues concern them in an atmosphere of peace, understanding, brotherhood and support.

The FReeper Foxhole hopes to share with it's readers an open forum where we can learn about and discuss military history, military news and other topics of concern or interest to our readers be they Veteran's, Current Duty or anyone interested in what we have to offer.

If the Foxhole makes someone appreciate, even a little, what others have sacrificed for us, then it has accomplished one of it's missions.

We hope the Foxhole in some small way helps us to remember and honor those who came before us.

To read previous Foxhole threads or
to add the Foxhole to your sidebar,
click on the books below.

German Tank Destroyers




First Generation Tank Destroyers


The German Army entered the Russian campaign with out-gunned and under-armored vehicles, when compared with the Russian tank designs of the T-34 medium and KV I heavy tank. Even the 50mm anti-tank gun -the best anti-tank gun then used by German tanks and anti-tank troops- were no match for the Russian tanks. The Panther and Tiger represented the long-term answer to the problems of the Russian front, but a more immediate and effective short-term solution was necessary. Any weapon of less than 75mm was now inadequate, and although the PzKpfw IV and the StuG were armed with the 75mm L/24 gun, this gun fired high-explosive shells at low velocity which were unable to penetrate the armor of the new Russian tanks.


A Marder I on French Hotchkiss chassis


Obsolete tank chassis provided an ideal mounting for the first generation of tank destroyers, as could those of a number of captured French tanks. In this way, by mounting different versions of the German 75mm Pak 40 anti-tank guns and captured Russian 76.2mm anti-tank guns (re-chambered to take German 75mm ammunition) in fixed, open-topped superstructures, it proved possible to deliver quantities of simple but well-armed tank-destroyers very quickly, so restoring the technical balance on the Eastern Front. However, the crew had little protection in the fighting compartment, and due to the high silhouette it was even vulnerable to conventional artillery.


Infantry on a Pz.Jg. I in France, 1940


The majority of these vehicles were named Marder (Marten), a family of six Panzerjägern which were built between 1942 and 1945.The Marder I was based on the chassis of the French Lorraine-tractor, and carried a complete 75mm Pak/40 gun. Only 184 of these vehicles were built, as after a short period they were all quickly removed from the Russian front back to France since they did not perform as expected. Also other chassis from French vehicles were used to carry the Pak 40, like the Renault R35 and the Hotchkiss H39. 358 PzKpfw IBs were converted into Panzerjäger I self-propelled guns armed with the Czech 47mm Pak L/43.


A Panzerjäger I in Russia


The Marder II was based on the chassis of the PzKpfw II and was built in two versions; the first with a 75mm Pak 40 mounted on the front of the open-topped chassis, and a second with captured 76.2mm Russian guns, since the Germans had captured a large number of Russian guns in the initial stage of the war against Russia. The Russian gun was placed further backwards on the chassis. They were used in North Africa and on the Russian front in later 1941 for a short period.Completion of the German Pak 40/2 resulted in mass-production of the Marder II, but production stopped in February 1943 by order of Hitler who intended to concentrate efforts on the manufacture of the Wespe self-propelled howitzer. In total 730 of the first type (December 1941-June 1942) and about 150 of the Russian type were built.


Marder II with the face of the Kohlenklau (Coal Thief), a German music hall character
I had a model of this vehicle


Following production of the self-propelled artillery vehicle Bison, the chassis of the PzKpfw 38(t) was also used to mount a re-chambered 76.2mm Pak or a 75mm Pak 40/3. The Marder III was the best design of the Marder series, and included three versions. The first version (H) was armed with a 75mm Pak 40 which was placed on the front of the vehicle. This turned out to be instable, and after production of 418 vehicles a second version (M) included a more backwards fighting compartment. From this version 799 were produced before production ceased in May 1944. The third version (R) had a Russian 76.2mm gun placed in the centre of the chassis. Many of the Marder III vehicles served in North Africa with the Africa Korps.


Marder II D in Russia


To improve the mobility of the famous 88mm gun, chassis components of the PzKpfw IV Ausf. F were used for a heavy tank-destroyer known as the Sd.Kfz. 164 Hornisse, later called Nashorn (Rhino), as insect names were used for armored artillery only. The Nashorn entered service in 1943. Despite open-topped, light armor and difficult concealment, 473 of these powerful armed vehicles were built. Production was continued with the similar looking Hummel, also based on the pzKpfw IV chassis. In order to make room for the gun crew, the motor was placed in the front. These designs were however regarded as being of a stop-gap nature, and plans were made for a second generation of tank-destroyers.


White-washed Nashorn vehicles




TOPICS: VetsCoR
KEYWORDS: armor; freeperfoxhole; germany; hetzer; jagdpanther; jagdtiger; panzerjagers; tanks; tanksdestroyers; treadhead; veterans
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-85 next last
To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
My memory is improving, Tuesday is Thread Head day!
41 posted on 04/27/2004 8:53:15 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~The Dragon Flies' Lair~ Poetry and Prose~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: radu
Morning radu!!
42 posted on 04/27/2004 8:54:57 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~The Dragon Flies' Lair~ Poetry and Prose~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: snippy_about_it
SpankenTruppen recruit.


43 posted on 04/27/2004 9:51:39 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Welcome to Free Republic ~ You can logout any time you like, but you can't ever leave.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: SAMWolf
...but production stopped in February 1943 by order of Hitler who...

Hitler sure did a good job of micromanaging the entire war. At times, it makes you wonder why it lasted as long as it did.

44 posted on 04/27/2004 10:06:33 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Welcome to Free Republic ~ You can logout any time you like, but you can't ever leave.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Professional Engineer
Morning PE. There were times when Hitler helped the Allied cause more than our politicians did.
45 posted on 04/27/2004 10:15:19 AM PDT by SAMWolf (My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Valin
1961 NASA launches Explorer 11 into Earth orbit to study gamma rays

The Explorer 11 satellite.

The Gamma Ray detector.

46 posted on 04/27/2004 10:16:16 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Welcome to Free Republic ~ You can logout any time you like, but you can't ever leave.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: bentfeather
A wonderfful story about our flag. Amazing.

Glad you liked it.

47 posted on 04/27/2004 10:17:56 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Welcome to Free Republic ~ You can logout any time you like, but you can't ever leave.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: SAMWolf
So little left to that flag and yet it means so much. Hard to keep the tears out of my eyes when I see a flag like that because I know what the price was for it.

That was my reaction as well when I saw it. It'd been a few months, so it took a bit of searching to find. That's how I stumbled on the USS Corry flag. Neat how this research stuff works.

48 posted on 04/27/2004 10:20:53 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Welcome to Free Republic ~ You can logout any time you like, but you can't ever leave.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: snippy_about_it
You're very welcome. This flag searching is keeping me on my toes, not to mention the cool stuff I'm learning.
49 posted on 04/27/2004 10:22:40 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Welcome to Free Republic ~ You can logout any time you like, but you can't ever leave.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Professional Engineer
SpankenTruppen recruit.

We'll take her!

50 posted on 04/27/2004 10:24:46 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Professional Engineer
This flag searching is keeping me on my toes, not to mention the cool stuff I'm learning.

Speaking of recruiting...ya know, you could do the Foxhole thread for June 14th. ;-)

51 posted on 04/27/2004 10:26:43 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: SAMWolf
Paris Landing state camp ground, up around Land Between the Lakes.
52 posted on 04/27/2004 10:38:17 AM PDT by GailA (Kerry I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, but I'll declare a moratorium on the death penalty)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: snippy_about_it
From the USMC archives.

Zachary G. McCormick, son of Staff Sgt. Justin C. McCormick, drill instructor, Platoon 3066, Company M, visits with PFC Molly, base mascot, at the booth in front of the Marine Corps Exchange here April 3. The booth was promoting Child Abuse Awareness Month. April is the Month of the Military Child.
Photo taken 04/11/2003 by Lance Cpl. Edward R. Guevara Jr.

53 posted on 04/27/2004 10:54:10 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Welcome to Free Republic ~ You can logout any time you like, but you can't ever leave.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: Professional Engineer
Neat how this research stuff works.

Yeah, it actually turns out to be fun sometimes.

54 posted on 04/27/2004 11:50:52 AM PDT by SAMWolf (My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: GailA
I spent 1 week camping at "Land Between The Lakes" in the early 80's. Nice area but more fun if you have a boat. I got to visit Forts Henry and Donaldson while I was there.
55 posted on 04/27/2004 11:52:36 AM PDT by SAMWolf (My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Professional Engineer
Afternoon folks and happy Treadhead Tuesday to all. I sure wouldn't have wanted to tangle with one of those hunting panthers in a Sherman!

It's a beautiful Spring day here, temperature in the 70's, sunny and dry. And I'm thoroughly enjoying watching John Effing Kerry go into contortions over his medals fiasco. Keep the focus right where it belongs - on what he did to veterans after he left Vietnam.

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood . . .

56 posted on 04/27/2004 12:13:56 PM PDT by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: SAMWolf
I'm in.
Anti-magnetic mine paste?
57 posted on 04/27/2004 1:05:45 PM PDT by Darksheare (Fortune for the day: Beware, my coffee has become weaponised and was used to take down net servers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SAMWolf
It will be our first trip there. Heard it was beautiful. We bought a 10 ft pop-up Coleman last Oct. And have been camping here locally off and on all winter.
58 posted on 04/27/2004 1:11:15 PM PDT by GailA (Kerry I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, but I'll declare a moratorium on the death penalty)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: colorado tanker
Afternoon CT.

The Hunting Panther had to be one of the best TD's deployed by any side during the war. Another case of too little, too late for the German's though.
59 posted on 04/27/2004 1:21:53 PM PDT by SAMWolf (My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: Darksheare
Anti-magnetic mine paste

The German infantry used magnetic mines for destoying armor. They delevopled the paste for applying to German tanks so that magnetic mines couldn't "stick" to the hull or turret, the problem was that Germany's enemies never really developed or used magnetic mines to any large extent. So the Germans wasted a lot of time and resources defending against a threat that didn't really exist for them.

60 posted on 04/27/2004 1:26:08 PM PDT by SAMWolf (My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-85 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
VetsCoR
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson