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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - PanzerKampfwagen VI - Tiger I - Mar. 2nd, 2004
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Posted on 03/02/2004 12:00:32 AM PST by SAMWolf



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PanzerKampfwagen VI
Tiger I




The most famous German battle tank, the Tiger generated an aura of invincibility giving it a psychological advantage of great value. This reputation was justified by events such as the action in which SS-Obersturmführer Wittmann, commanding a Tiger on the Villers Bocage road in Normandy on 13 June 1944, destroyed 25 half-tracks and tanks, effectively blocking the road and halting the advance of a complete armoured division. At that time the British and Americans called every German panzer a "Tiger", although most of them were PzKpfw IV. Few would claim it as the best tank of all time, but it showed the way to the Panther and Tiger II which went a long way towards making up in firepower and effectiveness for the numerical deficiency in armor with which the German army had to face the Allied forces in the closing stages of WWII.


Henschel's VK3601 prototype


The Tiger tank originated from developments started in 1937, when Henschel were instructed to design and construct a 30- to 33-ton tank prototype as possible successor to the PzKpfw IV. The new vehicle was known as the DW1 (Durchbrüchwagen, breakthrough vehicle). However, after one chassis with interleaved road wheel suspension had been built, trials were suspended to allow work to be carried out on a further design for a 65-ton tank, the VK6501. The VK6501 was itself a further development of the original PzKpfw VI NbFz. This project was cancelled to resume development of the DW 1. The improved model, the DW2, weighed 32 tons, accommodated a crew of five, and had to be armed with the short 75mm gun. Trials were carried out until 1941, when Henschel, Porsche, MAN and Daimler-Benz were invited to submit designs for a new vehicle in the same class and weight as the DW2.


Porsche's VK4501 prototype at Rastenburg


The Henschel version (VK3001H) was a continued development of the DW2, which superstructure resembled that of the PzKpfw IV, and had seven interleaved road wheels. It was planned to mount the 75mm L/48 gun in this vehicle, but the appearance of the Russian T-34 with its 76mm gun made the vehicle already obsolete and development was discontinued. The Porsche version (VK3001P) was a turretless prototype with several new features such as petrol-electric drive. With the order for the VK3001 an additional order has been placed for a 36-ton tank, the VK3601, which specifications included a powerful, high velocity gun, heavy armor and a maximum speed of at least 40 km/h. These specifications had been personally proposed by Hitler, who was impressed by the French "Char B1 bis" and the British Matilda I. Experimentel work on both the VK3001 and VK3601 was stopped when a further order for a 45-ton tank was received in May 1941. Designated VK4501, the intended vehicle was to mount a tank version of the 88mm gun, and the prototype should be ready in time for Hitler's birthday on 20 April 1942, when a demonstration was to be staged.


The early production Tiger I ausf. H with 'Feifel' air cleaning system at rear


Henschel decided to incorporate the best features of their VK3001H and VK3601H project into the new design as time was limited, while Porsche incorporated as many as possible of the design features from their VK3001P model. The demonstration of the two competing prototypes, the VK4501H and VK4501P, took place before Hitler at Rastenburg, when the Henschel design was considered to be superior. The new vehicle was designated PzKpfw VI Tiger Ausf. E. The Tiger was subsequently in production for two years, from August 1942 until August 1944, and in this period a total of 1350 vehicles were delivered out of 1376 ordered, indicative of the fact that the Tiger was conceived primarily as a fighting machine and not as a mass-production machine. Ninety Porsche Tigers were also ordered, partly as safeguard against delays or failure of the Henschel Tiger, of which the chassis was eventually used as basis for the heavy tank destroyer Ferdinand/Elefant. These vehicles made their unsuccessful battle debut in the Kursk tank battle.


Tiger with the old cupola....Tiger with the new cupola with rotating hatch


The Tiger I was the first German combat tank to be fitted with overlapping road wheel suspension, arranged with triple overlapping and interleaved wheels of a steel disc type with solid rubber tyres. The overlapping wheel system was adopted for optimum weight distribution. There were eight independently sprung torsion bar axles on each side, with the right hand axles trailed aft and the left hand axles led forward in order to carry all axles inside the hull. This resulted in an extremely soft and stable ride for a tank of this weight and size. Two types of track were used, one 725mm in wide was fitted for combat conditions, and a narrower one of 520mm in wide for travel and transportation. When the narrow tracks were fitted the outer wheels were removed from each suspension unit.


Tigers in northern Russia (winter 1943-1944)
and in Normandy along the 'Carpet Bomber Alley'


Through this type of suspension gave a superior ride, it also had its drawbacks, one being that the interleaved wheels were liable to become packed with mud and snow during winter fighting, and if ignored until frozen this could jam the wheels. The Russians discovered this and took advantage by timing their attacks for dawn, when the vehicles were likely to have become immobilised during the night's frost. Very late production Tigers had steel disc type wheels with resilient internal rubber spring rims of the type fitted to the Tiger II. In these Tigers, the outside run of wheels was omitted, reducing both the icing-up problem and the overheating problem of the axle bearing.


A Tiger tank with a rough white winter scheme (winter 1943-1944)


The Tiger was technically the most sophisticated and best engineered vehicle of its time. The hull was divided in four compartments: the forward two housed the driver and hull gunner/radio-operator, the centre was the fighting compartment, and the engine compartment was at the rear. The driver sat on the left and steered by means of a wheel which acted hydraulically on the differential steering unit. Emergency steering was provided for by two steering levers on either side of the driver operating disc brakes. A visor was provided for the driver and was opened by a sliding shutter worked from a handwheel. Fixed episcopes were provided in both the driver's and radio-operator's escape hatches. The gearbox separated the two forward compartments, with the radio-operator seated on the right. He had a standard MG34 in a ball mounting in the front vertical plate, and had his radio sets mounted on a shelf to the operator's left.


The Tiger I crossing a devastated battlefield, in full killer-hunting action. Note the BT 7, in the background, destroyed. A second Tiger follows just behind.These Tigers are from sPzAbt.502.


The Tiger's centre fighting compartment had a floor suspended from the turret by three steel tubes and rotated with the turret. The breech mechanism of the 88mm gun reached almost to the inside rear turret wall, dividing the turret into two. Like the hull, the turret was a simple structure; the sides and rear were formed from a single 82mm thick plate curved horseshoe fashion. The front was joined by two 100mm thick rectangular bars, and the upper and lower edges of the turret sides converged towards the front to allow for movement of the mantlet. The turret roof was a single shaped 26mm thick plate, bent slightly forward of the centre line to match the sides at the front. External turret fittings were three 90mm smoke generators on either side towards the front and two stowage bins either side of the centre line at the rear. Two types of cupola were fitted to the Tiger; the original type had five vision slits and was of plain cylindrical appearance, while the later type had seven episcopes and had a less prominent hatch which swung out to the side.


Changing a broken torsion bar was heavy mechanical work while many road wheels had to be removed


In order to simplify assembly and allow the use of heavy armor plate, flat sections were used throughout the hull. Hull and superstructure were welded, in contrast to previous tanks were a bolted joint was used between hull and superstructure. The front and rear superstructure was in one unit and interlocking stepped joints, secured by welding, were used in construction of both the lower hull and superstructure. The top front plate of the hull covered the full width of the vehicle and permitted a turret ring to be fitted width enough to accomodate the 88mm gun. The Tigers used in North Africa, and in Russia in summer, were fitted with the feifel air cleaner system. This was attached to the rear of the hull and linked to the engine over the engine cover plate. The tropical Tigers were known as the Tiger (Tp), but the feifel air system was soon discontinued to simplify production. The first production Tiger's were equipped for a totally submerged wading with Snorkel breathing, but this proved an expensive luxury and was discarded.





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To: archy
Got to love the soldiers ingenuity.
221 posted on 03/02/2004 6:35:30 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: snippy_about_it
Yeah. But it describes him to a tee.
222 posted on 03/02/2004 6:36:33 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: archy
*Chrysler Hemi* and *dirt cheap* do NOT belong on the same page, or in the same post.

I was afraid of that

223 posted on 03/02/2004 6:37:36 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: archy
Well, there's always the five fingered discount from various museums. :-)
224 posted on 03/02/2004 6:39:21 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: archy; SAMWolf
Just got an email back from my contacts at the pinnacle of local aerospace. They'll do it but it'll have to be after hours, cash money, and we supply the materials...and beer.

It's going to be very pricey.

? Umm...I vote no.

225 posted on 03/02/2004 6:41:46 PM PST by CholeraJoe ("Clear those murder holes!" Capt John Miller, 2nd Rangers, Omaha Beach.)
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To: Professional Engineer
Here the engine I was thinking of.

http://www.conleyprecision.com/

That's pretty. Precise, elegant, and well-crafted.

But it's so dainty!


226 posted on 03/02/2004 6:44:27 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: CholeraJoe
I can't do pricey right now. :-(
227 posted on 03/02/2004 6:45:27 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: CholeraJoe
Just got an email back from my contacts at the pinnacle of local aerospace. They'll do it but it'll have to be after hours, cash money, and we supply the materials...and beer.

It's going to be very pricey.

Happily, it's a project that doesn't require aircraft-grade work or a STC. But if they tell you it'll never fly, they're likely correct.

I'm busy digging [get it?] through old copies of Rock and Dirt for pics and deals on old crawler and dozer tracks. I haven't seen anything that looks close.

Yet.

228 posted on 03/02/2004 6:49:16 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: archy
But it's so dainty!

ROFLOL!!

229 posted on 03/02/2004 6:51:09 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Tonight on Tolkien TV: Hobbits Gone Wild!)
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To: SAMWolf
I can't do pricey right now. :-(

Pricey doesn't scare me. If it can be done at all and I can source the components, I can get some Hollywood funding. Five figures does not impress or intimidate that crowd.

Just tell 'em it's a Porsche design, and they'll understand.

230 posted on 03/02/2004 6:52:00 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: archy
Heck with 2 million dollor shoes for the Academy awards, this would be chump change to them. :-)
231 posted on 03/02/2004 6:58:45 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; E.G.C.; Victoria Delsoul; colorado tanker; Professional Engineer; ...

Panzerkampfwagen "Tiger" Ausf. E

Gewicht: 56,9t
Bewaffnung: 1 x 8,8 cm Kampfwagenkanone
2 x 7,92 mm Maschinengewehr
6 x Nebelkerzenwerfer
Richtanlage: Höhe der Kampfwagenkanone manuell einstellbar.
Turm seitlich manuell oder per Hydraulik einstellbar.
Munitionsvorrat: Kampfwagenkanone: 92 Patronen
Maschinengewehr: 3920 Patronen
Maschinenpistole: 192 Patronen
Motor: Maybach HL 210 / 230 P 45 Vergasermotor
V12, wassergekühlt, 23000 ccm, 700PS (515kW) bei 3000 U/min
Geschwindigkeit: 38 - 45 km/h
Panzerung: 100 mm Wannenfront, 60-80 mm Wannenseite,
110 mm Turmblende, ca. 80 mm Turmseite
Fahrbereich: ca. 110 km Straße, ca. 60 km mittelschweres
Gelände
Besatzung: 5 Soldaten
Stückzahl: 1355

The original Panzerkampfwagen VI "Tiger"

Tiger(P) No.003 from schwere Heeres Panzerjager Abteilung 653

Dieses Fahrzeug ist ein Umbau. Auf Basis eines T-34 wurde für den Film "Der Soldat James Ryan" von 1998 ein PzKpfWg Tiger I nachgebaut

Panzerkampfwagen VI - Tiger I

PanzerKampfwagen VI Ausf. H/E "TIGER"

Achtung Panzer No6 Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger ISBN 4-499-22706-2

This 156 page book covers the VK45.01 (P), VK45.01 (H), Tiger Ausf E very Early, Early, Mid and Late, The Sturmtiger 38cm, Panzerjager Tiger (Ferdinand), Panzerjager Tiger (Elefant), Panzerkampfwagen Tiger Ausf B Porsche-Turm, Panzerkampfwagen Tiger Ausf B Henchel-Turm and the Panzerjager Tiger Ausf B Jagdtiger.

This book opens with 12 pages of images from each of the Schwere Panzerabteilung from 501st – 510 and also the SS-Panzer regiments. The first chapter deals with the Experimental Tiger Series and includes some B & W images of the 12.8cm Sf. L/61 (Pz.Sf.V) at Kubinka Russia. Then both the VK45.01 (P) and VK45.01 (H) are covered in the next few pages. Next up we have the Tiger Ausf E very Early Model with diagrams showing how the fist Tigers 1st 501 Schwere Panzer- abeteilung differed with changed head lights ect. And how the Tiger evolved, the Mid Model follows this and then the Late Model each time with diagrams showing how the tank changed. The next chapter now compares each of the Tigers next to each other with images of the Very Early Model at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, the Early Model at the Bovington Tank Museum, the Mid Model at Kubinka Russia and the Late Model at Saumur, and also 1/35th scale plans of the Early, Mid and Late Models side by side. Next up is the Sturmtiger 38cm with a 1/35th 4-way scale plan and images of the Sturmtiger at Kubinka Russia and the one at Koblenz Germany. Next we have the Panzerjager Tiger (Ferdinand) and Panzerjager Tiger (Elefant) witch are treated to a small chapter on each then side by side comparisons with 1/35th scale plans and images of the Ferdinand at Kubinka Russia and the Elefant at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds USA. Then it’s on to the Panzerkampfwagen Tiger Ausf B Porsche-Turm, with images of the one at Bovington Tank Museum and a 1/35th scale plan. This is followed by the Panzerkampfwagen Tiger Ausf B Henchel-Turm witch gets a 1/35th scale plan and colour images of the one at The Royal Military Collage of Science UK, the one at Panzer museum Munster Germany, and at Kubinka Russia, Panzer Museum Thun Switzerland, Patton Museum USA. Then Finally we have the Panzerjager Tiger Ausf B Jagdtiger witch gets a huge 1/35th 4-way scale plan with both Porsche and Henchel running gear and images of the ones at Bovington, Aberdeen and Kubinka.

PanzerKampfwagen VI Tiger I

PzKpfw VI Ausf.E SdKfz181 "Tiger"

Silnik Maybach HL230 P45

Der HL 230 P45 (Tiger)

232 posted on 03/02/2004 7:59:08 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
Evening Phil Dragoo.

Some great links to Tiger sites. That one place looks like a tank graveyard.
233 posted on 03/02/2004 8:13:05 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: SAMWolf
One of the Tigers the Brits captured in Tunisia is at a tank museum in England. The machine was killed by 57 mm fire directly into the back hull, about zero degree incidence. A good photo of the hits, below.

A recent darn near full disassembly reconditioning, including full turret rebuild, was recently done on this machine. There is a website with very fine photos, dozens of pages, well worth the visit.

Fine Tiger photos

Too many good ones for me to pick one. More than 150, every one interesting.

234 posted on 03/03/2004 2:18:27 AM PST by Iris7 (Lies are to deceive the enemy. All you lie to, especially yourself, are your enemies.)
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To: Aeronaut
Ah, the music of mighty R-4360s.

Had a chance recently to buy an R-4360-20 on Ebay, believe it or not. The guy wanted $9,000. Machine had never been started since an overhaul in maybe 1960. Wife did not approve of me putting it in the living room, since it would have required removing one wall temporarily to get the off road fork lift room to put the engine in. Also the floor would have given way, would have needed some work in the basement. She thought the garage more suitable than the living room, not realizing climate control should only be used where appropriate, as when storing an R-4360.

A once in a lifetime opportunity.

The machine was up in Washington State, I was ready to rent a truck. Well, maybe not ready, but itching!!! Wife Barbara is a good sport, only kidding Dear!! I think!!
235 posted on 03/03/2004 2:35:31 AM PST by Iris7 (Lies are to deceive the enemy. All you lie to, especially yourself, are your enemies.)
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To: Professional Engineer
I read a saying about Russian design once, "A Russian shoe is about as good a shoe as a shoe box, but a Russian weapon designed to kill Germans is a marvel of simplicity, easy manufacture, easy training, and effectiveness."
236 posted on 03/03/2004 2:50:49 AM PST by Iris7 (Lies are to deceive the enemy. All you lie to, especially yourself, are your enemies.)
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To: SAMWolf
"Until Bovington gets there Tiger running these are as close as we'll get to seeing them in "action"."

The Tiger VI on my immediatly previous is runable, I think. Turret, gun, sights, transmission, engine, torsion bars, road wheels, cooling system, internal instruments, the works.
237 posted on 03/03/2004 3:00:49 AM PST by Iris7 (Lies are to deceive the enemy. All you lie to, especially yourself, are your enemies.)
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To: PhilDragoo
Those top color shots look like the machine in my #234, recently very well restored. Link there to about 150 pictures of the restoration.
238 posted on 03/03/2004 3:09:09 AM PST by Iris7 (Lies are to deceive the enemy. All you lie to, especially yourself, are your enemies.)
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To: PhilDragoo
BTTT!!!!!!
239 posted on 03/03/2004 3:11:15 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Professional Engineer
I also have affection for Cobras. The most interesting current production I think is here.
240 posted on 03/03/2004 3:22:38 AM PST by Iris7 (Lies are to deceive the enemy. All you lie to, especially yourself, are your enemies.)
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