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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - PanzerKampfwagen VI - Tiger I - Mar. 2nd, 2004
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Posted on 03/02/2004 12:00:32 AM PST by SAMWolf

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To: archy
Got to love the soldiers ingenuity.
221 posted on 03/02/2004 6:35:30 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: snippy_about_it
Yeah. But it describes him to a tee.
222 posted on 03/02/2004 6:36:33 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: archy
*Chrysler Hemi* and *dirt cheap* do NOT belong on the same page, or in the same post.

I was afraid of that

223 posted on 03/02/2004 6:37:36 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: archy
Well, there's always the five fingered discount from various museums. :-)
224 posted on 03/02/2004 6:39:21 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: archy; SAMWolf
Just got an email back from my contacts at the pinnacle of local aerospace. They'll do it but it'll have to be after hours, cash money, and we supply the materials...and beer.

It's going to be very pricey.

? Umm...I vote no.

225 posted on 03/02/2004 6:41:46 PM PST by CholeraJoe ("Clear those murder holes!" Capt John Miller, 2nd Rangers, Omaha Beach.)
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To: Professional Engineer
Here the engine I was thinking of.

http://www.conleyprecision.com/

That's pretty. Precise, elegant, and well-crafted.

But it's so dainty!


226 posted on 03/02/2004 6:44:27 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: CholeraJoe
I can't do pricey right now. :-(
227 posted on 03/02/2004 6:45:27 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: CholeraJoe
Just got an email back from my contacts at the pinnacle of local aerospace. They'll do it but it'll have to be after hours, cash money, and we supply the materials...and beer.

It's going to be very pricey.

Happily, it's a project that doesn't require aircraft-grade work or a STC. But if they tell you it'll never fly, they're likely correct.

I'm busy digging [get it?] through old copies of Rock and Dirt for pics and deals on old crawler and dozer tracks. I haven't seen anything that looks close.

Yet.

228 posted on 03/02/2004 6:49:16 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: archy
But it's so dainty!

ROFLOL!!

229 posted on 03/02/2004 6:51:09 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Tonight on Tolkien TV: Hobbits Gone Wild!)
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To: SAMWolf
I can't do pricey right now. :-(

Pricey doesn't scare me. If it can be done at all and I can source the components, I can get some Hollywood funding. Five figures does not impress or intimidate that crowd.

Just tell 'em it's a Porsche design, and they'll understand.

230 posted on 03/02/2004 6:52:00 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: archy
Heck with 2 million dollor shoes for the Academy awards, this would be chump change to them. :-)
231 posted on 03/02/2004 6:58:45 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; E.G.C.; Victoria Delsoul; colorado tanker; Professional Engineer; ...

Panzerkampfwagen "Tiger" Ausf. E

Gewicht: 56,9t
Bewaffnung: 1 x 8,8 cm Kampfwagenkanone
2 x 7,92 mm Maschinengewehr
6 x Nebelkerzenwerfer
Richtanlage: Höhe der Kampfwagenkanone manuell einstellbar.
Turm seitlich manuell oder per Hydraulik einstellbar.
Munitionsvorrat: Kampfwagenkanone: 92 Patronen
Maschinengewehr: 3920 Patronen
Maschinenpistole: 192 Patronen
Motor: Maybach HL 210 / 230 P 45 Vergasermotor
V12, wassergekühlt, 23000 ccm, 700PS (515kW) bei 3000 U/min
Geschwindigkeit: 38 - 45 km/h
Panzerung: 100 mm Wannenfront, 60-80 mm Wannenseite,
110 mm Turmblende, ca. 80 mm Turmseite
Fahrbereich: ca. 110 km Straße, ca. 60 km mittelschweres
Gelände
Besatzung: 5 Soldaten
Stückzahl: 1355

The original Panzerkampfwagen VI "Tiger"

Tiger(P) No.003 from schwere Heeres Panzerjager Abteilung 653

Dieses Fahrzeug ist ein Umbau. Auf Basis eines T-34 wurde für den Film "Der Soldat James Ryan" von 1998 ein PzKpfWg Tiger I nachgebaut

Panzerkampfwagen VI - Tiger I

PanzerKampfwagen VI Ausf. H/E "TIGER"

Achtung Panzer No6 Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger ISBN 4-499-22706-2

This 156 page book covers the VK45.01 (P), VK45.01 (H), Tiger Ausf E very Early, Early, Mid and Late, The Sturmtiger 38cm, Panzerjager Tiger (Ferdinand), Panzerjager Tiger (Elefant), Panzerkampfwagen Tiger Ausf B Porsche-Turm, Panzerkampfwagen Tiger Ausf B Henchel-Turm and the Panzerjager Tiger Ausf B Jagdtiger.

This book opens with 12 pages of images from each of the Schwere Panzerabteilung from 501st – 510 and also the SS-Panzer regiments. The first chapter deals with the Experimental Tiger Series and includes some B & W images of the 12.8cm Sf. L/61 (Pz.Sf.V) at Kubinka Russia. Then both the VK45.01 (P) and VK45.01 (H) are covered in the next few pages. Next up we have the Tiger Ausf E very Early Model with diagrams showing how the fist Tigers 1st 501 Schwere Panzer- abeteilung differed with changed head lights ect. And how the Tiger evolved, the Mid Model follows this and then the Late Model each time with diagrams showing how the tank changed. The next chapter now compares each of the Tigers next to each other with images of the Very Early Model at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, the Early Model at the Bovington Tank Museum, the Mid Model at Kubinka Russia and the Late Model at Saumur, and also 1/35th scale plans of the Early, Mid and Late Models side by side. Next up is the Sturmtiger 38cm with a 1/35th 4-way scale plan and images of the Sturmtiger at Kubinka Russia and the one at Koblenz Germany. Next we have the Panzerjager Tiger (Ferdinand) and Panzerjager Tiger (Elefant) witch are treated to a small chapter on each then side by side comparisons with 1/35th scale plans and images of the Ferdinand at Kubinka Russia and the Elefant at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds USA. Then it’s on to the Panzerkampfwagen Tiger Ausf B Porsche-Turm, with images of the one at Bovington Tank Museum and a 1/35th scale plan. This is followed by the Panzerkampfwagen Tiger Ausf B Henchel-Turm witch gets a 1/35th scale plan and colour images of the one at The Royal Military Collage of Science UK, the one at Panzer museum Munster Germany, and at Kubinka Russia, Panzer Museum Thun Switzerland, Patton Museum USA. Then Finally we have the Panzerjager Tiger Ausf B Jagdtiger witch gets a huge 1/35th 4-way scale plan with both Porsche and Henchel running gear and images of the ones at Bovington, Aberdeen and Kubinka.

PanzerKampfwagen VI Tiger I

PzKpfw VI Ausf.E SdKfz181 "Tiger"

Silnik Maybach HL230 P45

Der HL 230 P45 (Tiger)

232 posted on 03/02/2004 7:59:08 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
Evening Phil Dragoo.

Some great links to Tiger sites. That one place looks like a tank graveyard.
233 posted on 03/02/2004 8:13:05 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: SAMWolf
One of the Tigers the Brits captured in Tunisia is at a tank museum in England. The machine was killed by 57 mm fire directly into the back hull, about zero degree incidence. A good photo of the hits, below.

A recent darn near full disassembly reconditioning, including full turret rebuild, was recently done on this machine. There is a website with very fine photos, dozens of pages, well worth the visit.

Fine Tiger photos

Too many good ones for me to pick one. More than 150, every one interesting.

234 posted on 03/03/2004 2:18:27 AM PST by Iris7 (Lies are to deceive the enemy. All you lie to, especially yourself, are your enemies.)
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To: Aeronaut
Ah, the music of mighty R-4360s.

Had a chance recently to buy an R-4360-20 on Ebay, believe it or not. The guy wanted $9,000. Machine had never been started since an overhaul in maybe 1960. Wife did not approve of me putting it in the living room, since it would have required removing one wall temporarily to get the off road fork lift room to put the engine in. Also the floor would have given way, would have needed some work in the basement. She thought the garage more suitable than the living room, not realizing climate control should only be used where appropriate, as when storing an R-4360.

A once in a lifetime opportunity.

The machine was up in Washington State, I was ready to rent a truck. Well, maybe not ready, but itching!!! Wife Barbara is a good sport, only kidding Dear!! I think!!
235 posted on 03/03/2004 2:35:31 AM PST by Iris7 (Lies are to deceive the enemy. All you lie to, especially yourself, are your enemies.)
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To: Professional Engineer
I read a saying about Russian design once, "A Russian shoe is about as good a shoe as a shoe box, but a Russian weapon designed to kill Germans is a marvel of simplicity, easy manufacture, easy training, and effectiveness."
236 posted on 03/03/2004 2:50:49 AM PST by Iris7 (Lies are to deceive the enemy. All you lie to, especially yourself, are your enemies.)
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To: SAMWolf
"Until Bovington gets there Tiger running these are as close as we'll get to seeing them in "action"."

The Tiger VI on my immediatly previous is runable, I think. Turret, gun, sights, transmission, engine, torsion bars, road wheels, cooling system, internal instruments, the works.
237 posted on 03/03/2004 3:00:49 AM PST by Iris7 (Lies are to deceive the enemy. All you lie to, especially yourself, are your enemies.)
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To: PhilDragoo
Those top color shots look like the machine in my #234, recently very well restored. Link there to about 150 pictures of the restoration.
238 posted on 03/03/2004 3:09:09 AM PST by Iris7 (Lies are to deceive the enemy. All you lie to, especially yourself, are your enemies.)
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To: PhilDragoo
BTTT!!!!!!
239 posted on 03/03/2004 3:11:15 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Professional Engineer
I also have affection for Cobras. The most interesting current production I think is here.
240 posted on 03/03/2004 3:22:38 AM PST by Iris7 (Lies are to deceive the enemy. All you lie to, especially yourself, are your enemies.)
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