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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - PanzerKampfwagen VI - Tiger I - Mar. 2nd, 2004
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Posted on 03/02/2004 12:00:32 AM PST by SAMWolf



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PanzerKampfwagen VI
Tiger I




The most famous German battle tank, the Tiger generated an aura of invincibility giving it a psychological advantage of great value. This reputation was justified by events such as the action in which SS-Obersturmführer Wittmann, commanding a Tiger on the Villers Bocage road in Normandy on 13 June 1944, destroyed 25 half-tracks and tanks, effectively blocking the road and halting the advance of a complete armoured division. At that time the British and Americans called every German panzer a "Tiger", although most of them were PzKpfw IV. Few would claim it as the best tank of all time, but it showed the way to the Panther and Tiger II which went a long way towards making up in firepower and effectiveness for the numerical deficiency in armor with which the German army had to face the Allied forces in the closing stages of WWII.


Henschel's VK3601 prototype


The Tiger tank originated from developments started in 1937, when Henschel were instructed to design and construct a 30- to 33-ton tank prototype as possible successor to the PzKpfw IV. The new vehicle was known as the DW1 (Durchbrüchwagen, breakthrough vehicle). However, after one chassis with interleaved road wheel suspension had been built, trials were suspended to allow work to be carried out on a further design for a 65-ton tank, the VK6501. The VK6501 was itself a further development of the original PzKpfw VI NbFz. This project was cancelled to resume development of the DW 1. The improved model, the DW2, weighed 32 tons, accommodated a crew of five, and had to be armed with the short 75mm gun. Trials were carried out until 1941, when Henschel, Porsche, MAN and Daimler-Benz were invited to submit designs for a new vehicle in the same class and weight as the DW2.


Porsche's VK4501 prototype at Rastenburg


The Henschel version (VK3001H) was a continued development of the DW2, which superstructure resembled that of the PzKpfw IV, and had seven interleaved road wheels. It was planned to mount the 75mm L/48 gun in this vehicle, but the appearance of the Russian T-34 with its 76mm gun made the vehicle already obsolete and development was discontinued. The Porsche version (VK3001P) was a turretless prototype with several new features such as petrol-electric drive. With the order for the VK3001 an additional order has been placed for a 36-ton tank, the VK3601, which specifications included a powerful, high velocity gun, heavy armor and a maximum speed of at least 40 km/h. These specifications had been personally proposed by Hitler, who was impressed by the French "Char B1 bis" and the British Matilda I. Experimentel work on both the VK3001 and VK3601 was stopped when a further order for a 45-ton tank was received in May 1941. Designated VK4501, the intended vehicle was to mount a tank version of the 88mm gun, and the prototype should be ready in time for Hitler's birthday on 20 April 1942, when a demonstration was to be staged.


The early production Tiger I ausf. H with 'Feifel' air cleaning system at rear


Henschel decided to incorporate the best features of their VK3001H and VK3601H project into the new design as time was limited, while Porsche incorporated as many as possible of the design features from their VK3001P model. The demonstration of the two competing prototypes, the VK4501H and VK4501P, took place before Hitler at Rastenburg, when the Henschel design was considered to be superior. The new vehicle was designated PzKpfw VI Tiger Ausf. E. The Tiger was subsequently in production for two years, from August 1942 until August 1944, and in this period a total of 1350 vehicles were delivered out of 1376 ordered, indicative of the fact that the Tiger was conceived primarily as a fighting machine and not as a mass-production machine. Ninety Porsche Tigers were also ordered, partly as safeguard against delays or failure of the Henschel Tiger, of which the chassis was eventually used as basis for the heavy tank destroyer Ferdinand/Elefant. These vehicles made their unsuccessful battle debut in the Kursk tank battle.


Tiger with the old cupola....Tiger with the new cupola with rotating hatch


The Tiger I was the first German combat tank to be fitted with overlapping road wheel suspension, arranged with triple overlapping and interleaved wheels of a steel disc type with solid rubber tyres. The overlapping wheel system was adopted for optimum weight distribution. There were eight independently sprung torsion bar axles on each side, with the right hand axles trailed aft and the left hand axles led forward in order to carry all axles inside the hull. This resulted in an extremely soft and stable ride for a tank of this weight and size. Two types of track were used, one 725mm in wide was fitted for combat conditions, and a narrower one of 520mm in wide for travel and transportation. When the narrow tracks were fitted the outer wheels were removed from each suspension unit.


Tigers in northern Russia (winter 1943-1944)
and in Normandy along the 'Carpet Bomber Alley'


Through this type of suspension gave a superior ride, it also had its drawbacks, one being that the interleaved wheels were liable to become packed with mud and snow during winter fighting, and if ignored until frozen this could jam the wheels. The Russians discovered this and took advantage by timing their attacks for dawn, when the vehicles were likely to have become immobilised during the night's frost. Very late production Tigers had steel disc type wheels with resilient internal rubber spring rims of the type fitted to the Tiger II. In these Tigers, the outside run of wheels was omitted, reducing both the icing-up problem and the overheating problem of the axle bearing.


A Tiger tank with a rough white winter scheme (winter 1943-1944)


The Tiger was technically the most sophisticated and best engineered vehicle of its time. The hull was divided in four compartments: the forward two housed the driver and hull gunner/radio-operator, the centre was the fighting compartment, and the engine compartment was at the rear. The driver sat on the left and steered by means of a wheel which acted hydraulically on the differential steering unit. Emergency steering was provided for by two steering levers on either side of the driver operating disc brakes. A visor was provided for the driver and was opened by a sliding shutter worked from a handwheel. Fixed episcopes were provided in both the driver's and radio-operator's escape hatches. The gearbox separated the two forward compartments, with the radio-operator seated on the right. He had a standard MG34 in a ball mounting in the front vertical plate, and had his radio sets mounted on a shelf to the operator's left.


The Tiger I crossing a devastated battlefield, in full killer-hunting action. Note the BT 7, in the background, destroyed. A second Tiger follows just behind.These Tigers are from sPzAbt.502.


The Tiger's centre fighting compartment had a floor suspended from the turret by three steel tubes and rotated with the turret. The breech mechanism of the 88mm gun reached almost to the inside rear turret wall, dividing the turret into two. Like the hull, the turret was a simple structure; the sides and rear were formed from a single 82mm thick plate curved horseshoe fashion. The front was joined by two 100mm thick rectangular bars, and the upper and lower edges of the turret sides converged towards the front to allow for movement of the mantlet. The turret roof was a single shaped 26mm thick plate, bent slightly forward of the centre line to match the sides at the front. External turret fittings were three 90mm smoke generators on either side towards the front and two stowage bins either side of the centre line at the rear. Two types of cupola were fitted to the Tiger; the original type had five vision slits and was of plain cylindrical appearance, while the later type had seven episcopes and had a less prominent hatch which swung out to the side.


Changing a broken torsion bar was heavy mechanical work while many road wheels had to be removed


In order to simplify assembly and allow the use of heavy armor plate, flat sections were used throughout the hull. Hull and superstructure were welded, in contrast to previous tanks were a bolted joint was used between hull and superstructure. The front and rear superstructure was in one unit and interlocking stepped joints, secured by welding, were used in construction of both the lower hull and superstructure. The top front plate of the hull covered the full width of the vehicle and permitted a turret ring to be fitted width enough to accomodate the 88mm gun. The Tigers used in North Africa, and in Russia in summer, were fitted with the feifel air cleaner system. This was attached to the rear of the hull and linked to the engine over the engine cover plate. The tropical Tigers were known as the Tiger (Tp), but the feifel air system was soon discontinued to simplify production. The first production Tiger's were equipped for a totally submerged wading with Snorkel breathing, but this proved an expensive luxury and was discarded.





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To: Darksheare
Hi Darksheare! We've been reliving Kelly's Heroes. :-)
181 posted on 03/02/2004 4:29:17 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: SAMWolf
*Oh*
I know of them.
Know nussink about them.
182 posted on 03/02/2004 4:31:17 PM PST by Darksheare (Fortune for today: Cats do not make for efficient back scratchers.)
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To: archy
That King Tiger looks good. Too bad they don't offer a Panther G.
183 posted on 03/02/2004 4:31:25 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: archy
good at welding?

Not Me :-(

184 posted on 03/02/2004 4:32:41 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: archy

The last step in this long and fascinating process is the installation of the impressive Maybach HL230P30 V-12 petrol engine.

Here Ron is putting the final touches to the big power unit.

Those who have followed the story right through will recall that this engine came from the Tank Museum's Tiger II and in reality would be more applicable to late production Tiger I tanks.

Ron and Dave are deaf to the world as they test-run the engine on a temporary rig; the HL230P30 is a 23 litre engine which, in service, developed 700 horse power at 3,000 rpm. It equipped Panther, Tiger II and late production Tiger I tanks. Here it just makes the echoes ring

185 posted on 03/02/2004 4:37:47 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: SAMWolf
That King Tiger looks good. Too bad they don't offer a Panther G.

Agreed. Though the following from the RC Armory sight suggests a wider product range is coming. And after Tiger and Sherman, Panthers have got to be high on the most-wanted list.

Our first tank kit was the German King Tiger and since then kits for the Hunting Tiger, Tiger 1, and Sturm Tiger were developed. Currently work on a M4A1 Sherman kit is underway and should be finished sometime in 2004.


186 posted on 03/02/2004 4:38:59 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: SAMWolf
good at welding?
Not Me :-(

I weld like a farmer. Ugly, but they hold. But a Tiger repro would deserve better.

187 posted on 03/02/2004 4:41:46 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: SAMWolf
the HL230P30 is a 23 litre engine which, in service, developed 700 horse power at 3,000 rpm. It equipped Panther, Tiger II and late production Tiger I tanks.

Cut the weight by 50%, cut the HP by a bit less than that? A Chrysler Hemi, maybe? Not a bad standin for a V-12....

188 posted on 03/02/2004 4:44:04 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: U S Army EOD; archy; colorado; tanker; Professional Engineer; snippy_about_it
On the Tiger Tank’s Invincibility





The following article consists of some interesting side notes on the German Tiger tank and some extreme examples of what occurred in actual combat. You might be surprised to know how vulnerable a Tiger tank really was.


The first Tiger tank destroyed by the Western Allies was knocked out by a mere 57mm antitank gun
A UK 6 Pounder at work.





The following description is available from the Public Archives of Canada:

CANADIAN SCHOOL OF ARTILLERY (OVERSEAS)

BULLETIN NO.5 – APPENDIX "B-5"

GERMAN HEAVY TANK Pz.Kw VI.

The following is a report by the US Army Observer on the Tunisian Front.

The first of the new German Heavy tanks to be destroyed in this theatre was accounted for by 6-pdrs (57mm) of the [unnamed] Antitank Bn. (British).
The emplaced 6-pdrs opened fire at an initial range of 680 yards. The first round hit the upper side of the tank at very acute angles and merely nicked the armor. As the tank moved nearer it turned in such a manner that the third and fourth shots gouged out scallops of armor, the fifth shot went almost through and the next three rounds penetrated completely and stopped the tank. The first complete penetration was at a range of 600 yards, at an angle of impact of 30 degrees from normal, through homogeneous armor 82-mm (approximately 3-1/2 inches) thick. Ammunition used was the 57mm AP semi AP solid shot.


What about a US M-8 Greyhound (37mm) armored car destroying a Tiger tank?
Impossible! Maybe not…

The ability to destroy a Tiger I from other than the front is described in a wartime report from the 7th Armored Division while in Belgium in December of 1944:

While northern and eastern flanks had been heavily engaged, the northeastern section had been rather quiet. The only excitement there had been was when an M8 armored car from "E" Troop destroyed a Tiger tank. The armored car had been in a concealed position at right angles to run along a trail in front of the MLR. As the tank passed the armored car, the M8 slipped out of position and started up the trail behind the Tiger, accelerating in an attempt to close. At the same moment the German tank commander saw the M8, and started traversing his gun to bear on the armored car. It was a race between the Americans who were attempting to close so that their puny 37-mm would be effective in the Tiger’s "Achilles heel" (its thin rear armor), and the Germans who were desperately striving to bring their "88" to bear … Suddenly, the M8 had closed to 25 yards, and quickly pumped in 3 rounds… the lumbering Tiger stopped, shuddered; there was a muffled explosion, followed by flames which bellowed out of the turret and engine ports, after which the armored car returned to its position.


If an M8 can knock out a Tiger, what chance could a Tiger II have against an M5 (UK Stuart VI)?
This is one atypical encounter:

Dennis Riva, a fellow tank buff, remembers the wartime story of an M5A1 light tank veteran, whose vehicle came across a Tiger II tank traveling in a ravine between two small hills. The light tank was quickly moved onto the rise paralledl and above the Tiger. The crew of the light tank then fired four to five rounds of 37mm ammo into the Tiger’s thin upper rear engine deck. As the smoke started to pour out of the Tiger’s engine the German crew took flight.


Even artillery could be an effective counter to the Tiger tank:

From a US War Department Intelligence Bulletin (dated January 1945), comes the following conclusions from the 2nd New Zealand Division fighting the German forces equipped with Tiger I tanks in Italy:

The concentration of field artillery to counter Tigers is effective. Even if a brew-up [destroyed vehicle] does not result, the tank is invariably withdrawn. It appears obvious that the tank crews do not like the shell-fire, as the possibility of damage to vital parts (tracks, suspension, bogies, wireless aerials, outside fixtures, electrical equipment, etc.) is always present.


Ok, ok at least we KNOW that rifle fire never knocked out a Tiger… right!?!?
Well, not exactly.

A Soviet view of the capture of their first Tiger tank is recounted in an extract from an article by the military historian Dr. Giuseppe Finizio:

In Romanovsky’s [A Soviet Lieutenant General] version published for the first time in Operatsiya Iskra (Spark), Lenizdat 1973 and reprinted in Leningrad Does Not Surrender by N. Kislitsyn and V. Zubakov, Progress, 1989): "I was informed that an unusual enemy tank was moving through the corridor. Our light guns fired at it, but even direct hits could not stop the heavy, obviously strongly armoured vehicle. The German tank was heading for Schusselburg and at the time our 18th Infantry Division was approaching the road. The tank came under heavy direct fire. The shells did not cause dameage, but the driver, evidently taking fright, turned off the road and tried to get away towards Sinyavino. As it turned, the tank got stuck in a peat bog.

And that’s how the Soviets captured their first Tiger tank… with just infantry!





In all fairness, I should state that the Tiger is one of my favorite tanks, it’s just interesting to hear how even one of the best tanks could prove to be so very vulnerable at times.

Ray

189 posted on 03/02/2004 4:45:10 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: archy
A Chrysler Hemi, maybe? Not a bad standin for a V-12....

Where can we get one dirt cheap?

190 posted on 03/02/2004 4:47:11 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: Darksheare
This have to do with the FR homebuilt artillery project?

HUH *said simultaneously with his best Tim Taylor grunt*

191 posted on 03/02/2004 5:00:05 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Tonight on Tolkien TV: Hobbits Gone Wild!)
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To: Professional Engineer
LOL!
192 posted on 03/02/2004 5:03:32 PM PST by Darksheare (Fortune for today: Cats do not make for efficient back scratchers.)
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To: archy; SAMWolf; Professional Engineer
I've got a welding connection. There's an aircraft subcontractor in town that makes parts for the F-22, F-117, C-130, Sikorsky and Bell Helicopters. They can weld titanium, aluminum, invar(whatever the hell that is) and other exotic metals.

Their welders and machinists are good old Montana boys and girls (Yes, girls can weld and machine.)

What do y'all want and what's the budget?

193 posted on 03/02/2004 5:13:32 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Pararescue: Don't call 911, call 243.0. I'll rappel down headfirst if I have to.)
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To: CholeraJoe
Archy is thinking of building a scale model of a Tiger. :-)
194 posted on 03/02/2004 5:18:58 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: SAMWolf; archy
What scale!? I can get you a palm size model for a couple hundred bucks and two three cases of beer. You want a full size model, it's going to be pretty pricey, especially if you want the armor and the guns to be functional.
195 posted on 03/02/2004 5:25:01 PM PST by CholeraJoe ("Clear those murder holes!" Capt John Miller, 2nd Rangers, Omaha Beach.)
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To: archy

196 posted on 03/02/2004 5:36:29 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: CholeraJoe
You want a full size model, it's going to be pretty pricey, especially if you want the armor and the guns to be functional.Not full size, but A Hemi Engine has been mentioned. functional guns would be nice. ;-)
197 posted on 03/02/2004 5:36:41 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: snippy_about_it
LOL!
198 posted on 03/02/2004 5:37:13 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; Jen; SpookBrat; MistyCA; PhilDragoo; All
Evening all! Great thread, Sam.

I wish I could find some Kerry cartoons.


199 posted on 03/02/2004 5:43:03 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (Despite intense and violent criticism against the Passion, the public has spoken at the box office)
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To: SAMWolf
That could get into the mid five figure range for dollars and the truckload range for beer. LOL.
200 posted on 03/02/2004 5:47:08 PM PST by CholeraJoe ("Clear those murder holes!" Capt John Miller, 2nd Rangers, Omaha Beach.)
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