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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - PanzerKampfwagen V - Panther - Feb. 17th, 2004
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Posted on 02/17/2004 12:01:15 AM PST by SAMWolf



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PanzerKampfwagen V
Panther




After meeting the Soviet T-34 tank in late 1941 the German army was considerably shaken to find that there was a tank better than its PzKpfw IV. Although work on a successor to the PzKpfw IV had started as early as 1937, which eventually became the Tiger heavy tank, it largely incorporated features from the earlier development prototypes and owed nothing to the T-34 design. After examining captured T-34s during an "on the spot" investigation, the key features of the T-34 design were assessed. The three main characteristics were:

  • the sloped armor which gave optimum shot deflection
  • the large road wheels which gave a stable and steady ride
  • the overhanging gun, a feature previously avoided by the Germans as impracticable


Wooden model of the Daimler-Benz proposal


Having received the commision's report on November 25 1941, the Heereswaffenamt contracted with two armament firms, Daimler-Benz and MAN, to produce designs for a new medium tank in the 30-35 ton class. To be ready for the following spring, the specifications called for a vehicle with 60mm frontal armor and 40mm side armor, a high velocity 75mm gun and the front and sides to be sloped like the T-34.


MAN Panther Ausf. D


In April 1942, the two designs were submitted, with an interesting contrast. Daimler-Benz proposal was an almost unashamed copy of the T-34 in layout, with the addition of a few refinements. It had a hull shape similar to the T-34 with turret mounted well forward; the driver sat within the turret cage. A diesel engine was fitted with transmission to the rear sprockets. Paired steel bogies without rubber tyres were suspended by leaf springs. Other features included jettisonable fuel tanks on the hull rear in T-34 fashion.


Panther Ausf. A


Hitler was impressed with the Daimler-Benz "T-34 type" proposal, although he suggested that the gun be changed from the 75mm L/48 model to the longer L/70 weapon, and prototypes went into production. Leaf springs were cheaper and easier to produce than torsion bars, and the diesel engine would have been an advantage in later years when petrol supply became restricted. However, the Heereswaffenamt preferred the MAN design, since simply copying the T-34 was unpatriotic and there were mechanical features of the T-34 which made copying an impractical proposition for German manufacturers.


Panther Ausf. G


The MAN design displayed original German thinking, sophisticated rather than simple. It had a higher, wider hull than either the Daimler-Benz design or the T-34, with a large turret placed well back to offset as much as possible the overhang of the long 75mm gun. Torsion bar suspension was used with interleaved road wheels, while a Maybach petrol engine was proposed, with drive to the front sprockets. The internal layout followed conventional German practice with stations for the driver and hull gunner/radio-operator in the front compartment.


The crew of a Panther, Eastern Front, April 1944


Militarily, there were two important prerequisites in the comparison of the two models: mass production should start in December 1942, and the weapon should be of superior quality to counter the numerical material superiority of the enemy. Daimler-Benz was not able to produce the turret for the deadline, and needed modifications on the turret as well. The recommendation of the MAN's proposal was presented to Hitler on 13 May 1942, and accepted. At the same time the specifications were restated, increasing the frontal armor thickness to 80mm, a change increasing the weight to 44 tons. By that time much of the design, like wheels and suspension, had been completed and subcontractors at work; throwing additional strain on components designed for the original weight, which lead to problems of unreliability in action.





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To: Johnny Gage
LOL! That was streaching a plot line huh?
81 posted on 02/17/2004 8:21:10 AM PST by SAMWolf (Liberals are invulnerable to reason & logic. They are vulnerable to guns, knives & a bitch slap.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Damn Liberals!!
82 posted on 02/17/2004 8:21:32 AM PST by SAMWolf (Liberals are invulnerable to reason & logic. They are vulnerable to guns, knives & a bitch slap.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Always happens 'round these parts.
Doubly so if Hillary is in state.
83 posted on 02/17/2004 8:21:46 AM PST by Darksheare (Thsi tagline manufactured in a fourth world sweatshop. More available for half price, 1/4th quality.)
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To: SAMWolf
Morning.
*chuckle*
84 posted on 02/17/2004 8:21:59 AM PST by Darksheare (Thsi tagline manufactured in a fourth world sweatshop. More available for half price, 1/4th quality.)
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To: Professional Engineer
Insert Twilight Zone theme here ==> I had no idea when I changed my tagline
85 posted on 02/17/2004 8:23:12 AM PST by SAMWolf (Liberals are invulnerable to reason & logic. They are vulnerable to guns, knives & a bitch slap.)
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To: Professional Engineer
Blue Thunder looks so much more aggressive and military like

That was the whole plot of Blue Thunder.

The air above Los Angeles has become a battle ground in this explosive action thriller. Roy Scheider (JAWS) stars as Frank Murphy, a courageous and honorable Los Angeles police officer who is chosen to test run Blue Thunder, a high-tech experimental attack helicopter that comes complete with listening devices, camera lenses, and computer files. While flying Blue Thunder, Murphy and his partner, Lymangood (Daniel Stern) discover that the government intends on using the helicopter for corrupt crowd control and surveillance. The top-secret operation is being run by a sinister colonel (Malcolm McDowell), who will stop at nothing to keep the devious military conspiracy a secret. In an effort to expose the covert military operation Murphy decides to "borrow" Blue Thunder, flying against military and police aircrafts on a death-defying flight. Superb special effects and daredevil stunts combine with breathtaking cinematography to create a dizzying battle for justice.

BLUE THUNDER features one of actor Warren Oates's final film appearances.

86 posted on 02/17/2004 8:24:51 AM PST by SAMWolf (Liberals are invulnerable to reason & logic. They are vulnerable to guns, knives & a bitch slap.)
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To: SAMWolf
ROFLMAO
87 posted on 02/17/2004 8:31:41 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Why shoud Geronimo get all the glory. My personal battle cry is~Sitting Bull!!!!!!)
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To: SAMWolf; archy; Cannoneer No. 4
I forgot to ask last week when we discussed half-tracks. What were the reasons for the their development? Why did they disappear from use?
88 posted on 02/17/2004 8:34:51 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Why shoud Geronimo get all the glory. My personal battle cry is~Sitting Bull!!!!!!)
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To: Professional Engineer
That is true. LOL
89 posted on 02/17/2004 8:38:54 AM PST by Johnny Gage (God Bless our Firefighters, our Police, our EMS responders, and most of all, our Veterans)
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To: Professional Engineer; SAMWolf; archy
Here's another goody:

"I'd ruther dig. A movin' foxhole attracks th' eye."

Or the one where they're on the troop transport "Why don't you boys carry some dirt to dig holes in?"

90 posted on 02/17/2004 8:43:32 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: Professional Engineer
I've used a tagline that said:

What would Geronimo say if he jumped out of an airplane?

And as a Bonus.. here's an "Engineer/Blonde joke" for ya too:

A group of blondes in a class at Texas A&M University were given the assignment to measure the height of a flagpole.

So they went out to the flagpole with ladders and tape measures, but fell off the ladders, dropped the tape measures and pencils -- the whole thing was just a mess.

An engineering student comes along and sees what they're trying to do. He walks over, pulls the flagpole out of the ground, lays it flat, measures it from end to end. He gives the measurement to one of the blondes and walks away.

After the engineer had gone, one blonde turned to another and laughed: "Isn't that just like a dumb engineer? We're looking for the height and he gives us the length!"

91 posted on 02/17/2004 8:45:34 AM PST by Johnny Gage (God Bless our Firefighters, our Police, our EMS responders, and most of all, our Veterans)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Or the one where they're on the troop transport "Why don't you boys carry some dirt to dig holes in?"

LOL. I don't think I've ever seen that one. Good line!

92 posted on 02/17/2004 8:47:27 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
I have all of Mauldin's books, and there are plenty of his cartoons that have never found their way onto the internet.
93 posted on 02/17/2004 8:49:37 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: SAMWolf
Panzerkampfwagen V Panther

Just the thing for rushhour traffic! And for those morons how thing they have to go 5mph if there's a snowflake anywhere within 10 miles.
94 posted on 02/17/2004 8:50:56 AM PST by Valin (America is the land mine between barbarism and civilization.)
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To: Professional Engineer
In a nutshell, mainly to provide cross country and protected transport for Infantry to keep up with the tanks.

They've been replaced by the APC and AFV's today.
95 posted on 02/17/2004 8:52:37 AM PST by SAMWolf (Liberals are invulnerable to reason & logic. They are vulnerable to guns, knives & a bitch slap.)
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To: SAMWolf
20mins. later the first telemarketer calls.
96 posted on 02/17/2004 8:53:03 AM PST by Valin (America is the land mine between barbarism and civilization.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Or the one where they're on the troop transport "Why don't you boys carry some dirt to dig holes in?"

Never saw that one, sounds like typical Mauldin though.

97 posted on 02/17/2004 8:53:41 AM PST by SAMWolf (Liberals are invulnerable to reason & logic. They are vulnerable to guns, knives & a bitch slap.)
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To: Professional Engineer
I COULD make a comment about your tagline(Sitting Bull), but I have waaay too much class.
98 posted on 02/17/2004 8:55:30 AM PST by Valin (America is the land mine between barbarism and civilization.)
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To: Johnny Gage
After the engineer had gone, one blonde turned to another and laughed: "Isn't that just like a dumb engineer? We're looking for the height and he gives us the length!"

ROTFL!!

A letter from a Blonde Y2K Engineer:

I hope I haven't misunderstood your instructions. Because, to be honest, none of this Y to K problem makes any sense to me.

At any rate I have finished converting all the months on all the company calendars so that the year 2000 is ready to go with the following new months:

Januark Februark Mak Julk.

Regards,
Rob

99 posted on 02/17/2004 8:55:54 AM PST by SAMWolf (Liberals are invulnerable to reason & logic. They are vulnerable to guns, knives & a bitch slap.)
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To: Valin
Ya' mean how I'm sittin' here shoveling stuff?
100 posted on 02/17/2004 8:58:43 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Why shoud Geronimo get all the glory. My personal battle cry is~Sitting Bull!!!!!!)
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