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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - PanzerKampfwagen V - Panther - Feb. 17th, 2004
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Posted on 02/17/2004 12:01:15 AM PST by SAMWolf



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PanzerKampfwagen V
Panther




After meeting the Soviet T-34 tank in late 1941 the German army was considerably shaken to find that there was a tank better than its PzKpfw IV. Although work on a successor to the PzKpfw IV had started as early as 1937, which eventually became the Tiger heavy tank, it largely incorporated features from the earlier development prototypes and owed nothing to the T-34 design. After examining captured T-34s during an "on the spot" investigation, the key features of the T-34 design were assessed. The three main characteristics were:

  • the sloped armor which gave optimum shot deflection
  • the large road wheels which gave a stable and steady ride
  • the overhanging gun, a feature previously avoided by the Germans as impracticable


Wooden model of the Daimler-Benz proposal


Having received the commision's report on November 25 1941, the Heereswaffenamt contracted with two armament firms, Daimler-Benz and MAN, to produce designs for a new medium tank in the 30-35 ton class. To be ready for the following spring, the specifications called for a vehicle with 60mm frontal armor and 40mm side armor, a high velocity 75mm gun and the front and sides to be sloped like the T-34.


MAN Panther Ausf. D


In April 1942, the two designs were submitted, with an interesting contrast. Daimler-Benz proposal was an almost unashamed copy of the T-34 in layout, with the addition of a few refinements. It had a hull shape similar to the T-34 with turret mounted well forward; the driver sat within the turret cage. A diesel engine was fitted with transmission to the rear sprockets. Paired steel bogies without rubber tyres were suspended by leaf springs. Other features included jettisonable fuel tanks on the hull rear in T-34 fashion.


Panther Ausf. A


Hitler was impressed with the Daimler-Benz "T-34 type" proposal, although he suggested that the gun be changed from the 75mm L/48 model to the longer L/70 weapon, and prototypes went into production. Leaf springs were cheaper and easier to produce than torsion bars, and the diesel engine would have been an advantage in later years when petrol supply became restricted. However, the Heereswaffenamt preferred the MAN design, since simply copying the T-34 was unpatriotic and there were mechanical features of the T-34 which made copying an impractical proposition for German manufacturers.


Panther Ausf. G


The MAN design displayed original German thinking, sophisticated rather than simple. It had a higher, wider hull than either the Daimler-Benz design or the T-34, with a large turret placed well back to offset as much as possible the overhang of the long 75mm gun. Torsion bar suspension was used with interleaved road wheels, while a Maybach petrol engine was proposed, with drive to the front sprockets. The internal layout followed conventional German practice with stations for the driver and hull gunner/radio-operator in the front compartment.


The crew of a Panther, Eastern Front, April 1944


Militarily, there were two important prerequisites in the comparison of the two models: mass production should start in December 1942, and the weapon should be of superior quality to counter the numerical material superiority of the enemy. Daimler-Benz was not able to produce the turret for the deadline, and needed modifications on the turret as well. The recommendation of the MAN's proposal was presented to Hitler on 13 May 1942, and accepted. At the same time the specifications were restated, increasing the frontal armor thickness to 80mm, a change increasing the weight to 44 tons. By that time much of the design, like wheels and suspension, had been completed and subcontractors at work; throwing additional strain on components designed for the original weight, which lead to problems of unreliability in action.





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To: snippy_about_it
DOH
181 posted on 02/17/2004 7:34:59 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Why shoud Geronimo get all the glory. My personal battle cry is~Sitting Bull!!!!!!)
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To: SAMWolf
LOL. That reminds me of the programming dept I used to work in. We were the jeans-and-fun group in a company of overdressed, snooty, prissy-faced kiss-ups.

We were sitting around the table having a department meeting and someone brought in a bunch of propeller hats. We, of course, wore them.

The president prissypants walked into that meeting unannounced. He was not amused. I really miss being a rebel, sometimes.
182 posted on 02/17/2004 7:37:05 PM PST by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: SAMWolf

Damn That's just a good looking tank!

183 posted on 02/17/2004 7:37:06 PM PST by SAMWolf (Liberals are invulnerable to reason & logic. They are vulnerable to guns, knives & a bitch slap.)
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To: Samwise
I really miss being a rebel, sometimes.

It is fun isn't it?

184 posted on 02/17/2004 7:38:31 PM PST by SAMWolf (Liberals are invulnerable to reason & logic. They are vulnerable to guns, knives & a bitch slap.)
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To: SAMWolf
I'm guessing the round hatch at the back side of the turret is to load ammo.
185 posted on 02/17/2004 7:38:54 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Why shoud Geronimo get all the glory. My personal battle cry is~Sitting Bull!!!!!!)
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To: SAMWolf; Samwise; Professional Engineer
We'll be good!!!


Snip,Sam,PE

186 posted on 02/17/2004 7:43:24 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Professional Engineer
Yep, plus an emergency exit if needed.
187 posted on 02/17/2004 7:52:04 PM PST by SAMWolf (Liberals are invulnerable to reason & logic. They are vulnerable to guns, knives & a bitch slap.)
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To: SAMWolf

188 posted on 02/17/2004 7:56:37 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
LOL I just found this one.
189 posted on 02/17/2004 7:58:27 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Why shoud Geronimo get all the glory. My personal battle cry is~Sitting Bull!!!!!!)
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To: Professional Engineer

190 posted on 02/17/2004 8:06:15 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Professional Engineer
LOL. That grin makes it look like you've been in trouble.
191 posted on 02/17/2004 8:08:16 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
LOL That's why I snagged that one.
192 posted on 02/17/2004 8:09:32 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Why shoud Geronimo get all the glory. My personal battle cry is~Sitting Bull!!!!!!)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Darksheare; colorado tanker

Bicyclespankentruppen verursacht kleine Jungen zum Wrack.

193 posted on 02/17/2004 9:38:34 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo; snippy_about_it

I like the recruits to Snippy's BicycleSpankenTruppen.

194 posted on 02/17/2004 9:50:02 PM PST by SAMWolf (Liberals are invulnerable to reason & logic. They are vulnerable to guns, knives & a bitch slap.)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; E.G.C.; Victoria Delsoul; colorado tanker; Darksheare

ABOVE & BELOW: Two views of a vehicle "224," a Panzerkampfwagen V Ausf. A Panther of the Panzer-Division "Feldherrnhalle". Both views allow a clear view of the production features that distinguish this version from other models, such as the new ball-mount for the hull machine gun that replaced the older "envelope-slot" style mount, and the retention of the driver's vision slit that was deleted in favor of a periscope in later production models (although the visor shield itself is actually missing from this example). As with many of the vehicles on display in the Afrika Gruppe, this Panther is painted in the standard desert sand yellow and has a number of kill rings painted on the barrel of the powerful 7.5 cm Kw.K. 42 L/70 main gun.

Panzerkampfwagen V Panther

Panzerkampfwagen V - Panther

achtungpanzer

On the above linked page, click on the photo (shown below as a jpg) and find yourself in the midst of a Panther-a-thon of photos. Navigate with the red double arrows below the pictures.

panzerfoto

Panther Ausf G hit by heavy shell

German Destroyed AFVs

195 posted on 02/17/2004 10:11:56 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
Evening Phil Dragoo.

Thanks for all the links. The one with the "hidden" gallery was excellent. Lots of pics I never saw before, especially the pictures of the Panther in producion and the first photo of the Flakpanzer V "Coelian" prototype I've ever seen. I've only seen drawings and models before.

The did sneak in a picture of a KingTiger into the series.

196 posted on 02/17/2004 10:29:13 PM PST by SAMWolf (Liberals are invulnerable to reason & logic. They are vulnerable to guns, knives & a bitch slap.)
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To: PhilDragoo
BTTT!!!!!
197 posted on 02/18/2004 3:08:35 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: SAMWolf; PhilDragoo
I like the recruits to Snippy's BicycleSpankenTruppen.

LOL. You wish. My recruits are all men.

I know it's not PC but they are my troops and it's my world.:-)

198 posted on 02/18/2004 5:51:54 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Professional Engineer
*chuckle*
I admit to being somewhat naughty too.
*snort*

itsPE'sFault as a keyword?
Hmm..
It'll make a showing along with "Darksheare's fault" sometime.
199 posted on 02/18/2004 7:34:07 AM PST by Darksheare (Cry "Hammock!" and let slip the gerbils of war!)
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To: snippy_about_it
LOL. You wish. My recruits are all men.

Yo usure have some good looking "men"

200 posted on 02/18/2004 7:50:42 AM PST by SAMWolf (Terrorists are vulnerable to silver bullets... and any other bullets.)
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