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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Poles at Cassino (5/11-5/18 1944) - Feb. 12th, 2004
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Posted on 02/12/2004 12:00:13 AM PST by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.


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Why Did Monte Cassino Have to be
Captured in the First Place?


The Allied objective was Rome and there were three main approaches going northward to the capital from southern Italy: Highways 5, 6, and 7.



HIGHWAY 5, a winding route through the Apennines on the Adriatic (eastern) side of Italy, was in the operational sector of the British 8th Army, which was weakened by the transfer of the 1st Division to the U.S. 5th Army and demoralized by the transfer of their long-time commander, General Montgomery, back to England on January 1, 1944 for the planning of the "Second Front" in France. Lieutenant General Sir Oliver Leese took over command on this date. Moreover, the 8th Army faced four strong German divisions, which held them in check south of Chieti. To add to this miserable situation, the weather in the winter of 1943-44 was atrocious and windchill, snow, and freezing rain hampered offensive operations. Clearly, the route to Rome along Highway 5 was not possible. The Adriatic sector was in stalemate.


One of many tanks knocked out by doubled anti-tank mine near Mas Albaneta.


HIGHWAY 7 WAS THE old "Appian Way," which ran straight down the western coast of Italy from Naples to Garigliano. Why wasn't this route used? The major problem with this route was that any army crossing the Garigliano and heading northward would soon find itself penned into the narrow coastal strip near the Gulf of Gaeta. Furthermore, the Germans would've constantly attacked the invaders from the nearby Auruncian Mountains. Additionally, in the area near Terracina, the Germans had flooded the Pontine Marshes, thus making the Highway 7 route to Rome completely impractical.



HIGHWAY 6, WHICH PASSED NEAR the Liri Valley, was obviously the only clear route for the Allies fighting their way northwards towards Rome. The problem here, however, was that entrance to the Liri Valley was blocked by a chain of mountains: Monte Cairo, Monte Castellone, Passo di Corno, Colle Mao, Colle San Angelo, Monte Albaneta, and (of course) Monte Cassino. If the Allies could break through the formidable Gustav Line defences located within these mountains, then they would be able to break into the Liri Valley and, eventually, reach their final prize: Rome. Monte Cassino had to be captured.


Another victim of the powerful mines.


Allied strategy in Italy during World War II centered on keeping the Wehrmacht fully committed so that its veteran divisions could not be shifted to help repel the cross-Channel invasion. However, the Allied high command mistakenly believed that the determined German defense of the invasion beaches of Salerno in September 1943 masked their preparations for retreat to the north. They never reckoned that the Germans would effectively use the weather and the terrain to turn the Italian campaign into a costly stalemate at the Gustav Line.


Air photos graphically depict the destruction of the abbey of Monte Cassino in southwestern Italy. Monte Cassino was the target of several concentrated Allied air strikes and assaults in the early months of 1944.


Mark Clark's disastrous attempt to split the Gustav Line in the Liri Valley died on the banks of the Rapido River ("the bloody Rapido") in January 1944, and when the Allied end run at Anzio also failed, there was now a stalemate on two fronts. In early February the U.S. Thirty-fourth Infantry Division failed to capture the western anchor of the Gustav Line, and one of the holiest shrines of Roman Catholicism, the abbey of Monte Cassino. A second offensive in mid-February again failed and resulted in one of the most hotly debated incidents of the war—the destruction of the abbey by Allied bombers.

The Third Battle of Cassino in mid-March was preceded by a thunderous artillery barrage from nine hundred guns and a massive aerial bombardment of the town. Follow-up ground attacks by New Zealand troops once again ended in failure. Only with the launch of Operation Diadem in May 1944 did the Gustav Line finally collapse when the Second Polish Corps succeeded in capturing the abbey on May 17, thus ending one of the longest and bloodiest engagements of the Italian campaign.


Polish Shermans approaching the Gustav Line.


In three previous battles, select Allied divisions - the USA 34th and 26th, the New Zealand 2nd, the British 78th and the Indian 4th -could not seize those mountains which blocked the possibility of the Allied advance toward Rome. Finally, in a seven day battle, the Polish Second Army Corps did it, at a loss of 860 dead and 2,182 wounded, of which 10 percent were officers.

Fourth battle of Cassino - The Plan


General Ander's plan was to attack from the the north-west because previous attacks had run into either thick scrub brush or steep, difficult climbs. The Poles felt that if they captured Hill 593, Hill 575, and Colle San Angelo all at the same time, this would prevent the Germans from shifting their forces from sector to sector and counter-attacking. The Germans used these tactics in the three previous attacks to successfully repel the Allies. Capturing all three objectives simultaneously would seriously disrupt the Germans' tactics.


Wladyslaw Anders,
Lieutenant General, Second Polish Corps


The Polish plan was to attack from a northwestern direction starting from Colle Mao and Monte Castellone towards Hill 593, Hill 575, and Colle San Angelo, along a broad front. Once these three objectives fell, then they could concentrate on the Monastery itself. Both Divisions were to attack along separate, but equivalent axes.

General Ander's plan was as follows: (1) Phase 1: (a) Isolate the Monastery Hill-Cassino complex from the north and north-west and then to advance to Highway 6 to link up with the British 13th Corps and (b) to capture the Monastery Hill. In Phase 2, the objectives was to gain contact with the Adolf Hitler Line north of Highway 6 and to develop offensive operations with the aim of turning it from the north.


Polish tank getting ready to support the infantry during the second part of fighting


General Anders himself stated his objectives thusly, "A simultaneous attack against Hill 593 and Colle San Angelo would prevent them [the Germans] from effectively coordinating their fire and would cause the enemy to disperse their reserves. The remaining strongholds--Monte Cassino Monastery to the south and Passo Corno to the north were to kept under overwhelming fire and blinded by smoke to prevent them from bringing their fire to bear on the area of the attack. It is necessary to use our full strength, for we shall have no men to spare for reserve."

Artillery Support



Mortar Team of the 3DSK.


The Polish Second Corps could depend on a total of 294 guns of all types, including an additional 16 heavy guns (to shell the Monastery) under the command of the British 13 Corps. The basic plan was to assign a heavier assortment of guns to one division's attack, and later switch to the other division's objective. In this way, the maximum use of artillery was expected.

May 11:
At 11 pm, 2000 guns open fire from Aquafondata all the way to the Tyrrhenian Sea. At 11:45 pm, British troops on the Rapido advance to the attack.

May 12:
At 1:00 am, the Polish 2nd Corps north-west of Cassino, the French Expeditionary Corps in the Auruncian Mountains, and the Americans in the coastal sector all advance to the attack.


Monte Cassino: In the Big Bowl…
Preparing for the May 1944 Attack on the Abbey of Monte Cassino.


At daybreak, swarms of fighter-bombers drop high explosives over their targets. The German Tenth Army headquarters in Avezzano, as well as the XIV Corps headquarters, are both buried under a carpet of bombs.

In the south, the French attack the 71st Infantry Division on the upper Garigliano. Raapke's Grenadiers fight desperately, but by 3:00 am Monte Faito is firmly controlled by the Moroccan 4th Mountain Division.



In the center, the 6th Lemberg Brigade (2nd Polish Corps) attacks the Passo Corno, but are stopped by the von Ruffin Battle Group. Further south of Monte Castillone, the 5th Vilna Brigade moves forward against Colle Santo Angelo. They reach Height 517, where they are caught by heavy machine gun fire and driven back with heavy losses. German artillery also takes a heavy toll of the attackers. By evening, General Anders is forced to withdraw the 5th Division back to its assembly areas.


CREST OF THE 3DSK (3rd Carpathian Division)


The 3rd Carpathian Division of the 2nd Polish Corps attacks Albaneta and Height 593. They capture the Cavalry Mount and set up positions on the northern slopes of Height 569. The Germans respond by sending reinforcements in an attempt to recapture it. The Germans launch four counter attacks that fail, but the fifth attempt is successful and the Cavalry Mount is back in German hands by late evening.

The U.S. II Corps (in the coastal sector) gets into a furious fight at Santa Maria Infante and Sollaciano with Steinmetz's 94th Infantry Division. Both the 85th and the 88th Divisions are repulsed.


CREST OF THE 5KDP (5th Kressowa Division)


The British XIII Corps' task is to form bridgeheads between the Cassino railway station and Santo Angelo and between Santo Angelo and the Liri and then to move toward the Via Casilina in the vicinity of Piedmonte. Kirkman's troops experience great difficulties setting up the bridgehead and one brigade, the 28th, is flung back across the river. The Indian 8th Division has better luck and manages to put up two thirty-ton bridges into position.

May 13:

5KDP trooper with a captured MG-42.


The Moroccans capture Monte Girofano by morning, Monte Feuci by noon, and Monte Maio by 4 pm. The northern wing of the German 71st Division is breached. The French I Division presses northward to capture Sant' Andrea, Sant' Ambrogio, and Sant' Appolinari and eventually reaches the Liri Valley. Castelforte and Damiano are now both in French hands. The Moroccans and Algerians together capture Monte Ceschito. This was the decisive blow. The Gustav Line is now punctured on the Garigliano, south of Cassino.


CREST OF 2 SBP (2nd Independent Armoured Brigade)


Elsewhere along the front, the situation is not so rosy. On the coast, the U.S. 88th Division captures Santa Maria Infante after a whole day of very slow advances against determined enemy resistance.

General Ward's British 4th Infantry Division launches a fresh attack south of Cassino. This time the attack succeeds in extending a bridgehead to within a mile northwest of Santo Angelo.

The Poles continue to suffer heavy losses attacking the Cavalry Mount. The Germans also suffer casualties, as illustrated by the comments made in Major Veth's diary, "Great number of dead on the slopes--stench--no water--no sleep--amputations being carried out at battle headquarters."

May 14:


After penetrating through the German 71st Division's positions, General Juin decides to push the Moroccan mountain warfare experts through the Auruncian Mountains towards the Itri-Pico road twelve miles behind the Gustav Line. After the fall of Monte Ceschito, General Guillaume's men advance towards Petrella. By nightfall of the 14/15, the French Goumiers are clambering up Monte Fammera, north of Spigno.


2SBP tankers digging in on Mas Albaneta.


During the night of May 14/15, the German 94th Infantry Division is forced to withdraw to a position on either side of Castelonorato. The French troops have torn wide gaps in this sector of the German defense lines.

The Poles under General Anders continue to engage in heavy fighting around the Cavalry Mount.

The 94th Fusiliers push the U.S. 88th Division out of Santa Maria Infante and capture an entire American battalion. The Americans counter attack later in the evening and reoccupy this place once more. The German Tenth Army decides to throw all its available reserves into the battle. The 305th Infantry Division is brought back from the Adriatic to bolster the crumbling Bode Battle Group. Two battalions of the 114th Rifle Division and grenadiers, pioneers, and anti-tank units from various divisions arrive to plug up the holes in the defensive lines.


Members of the Polish Independent Commando Company


German artillery continues to concentrate its fire on the bridges over the Rapido, but as soon as a battery opens fire, a swarm of Allied fighter-bombers quickly bombs it.

May 15:
The British 78th Division reaches the Pignataro-Cassino road. The Indians attack and capture Pignataro during the night. While the Indian 8th Division advances quickly, the British 4th Division on the right wing can only move forward with great difficulty. Further to the west, the British make little headway towards the Via Casilina. In Cassino town itself, the British make no ground at all, despite the fact that the German 1st Parachute Machine gun Battalion is completely destroyed. The right wing of the LI Mountain Corps begins to crumble as a result of the French attacks. General Alexander orders the Canadian I Corps under General Burns to cover General Kirkman's left flank. The Canadian objective is Pontecorvo.


NATIONAL PATCH WORN BY ALL SERVICES


As a result of French successes elsewhere, General Steinmetz's 94th Infantry Division has to fight desperately to hold Formia against the American 88th Division.

The 8th Army Commander later decided to postpone the 2nd Polish Corps' attack until more progress had occurred in the sector occupied by the British 13th Corps. The British 13th, however, ran into formidable resistance and did not reach the line of Matronola-Casa Petrarcone until May 13th and did not reach the highway and Pignataro area until the evening of May 15th. Casualties were heavy and General Leese committed the 78th Division, until then in reserve, directly into the battle. It was decided not to recommit the Polish troops until the 78th Division had engaged the enemy.

Before the second battle, the Polish artillery battered the German positions and Allied fighter-bombers attacked the Atina gun emplacements and the mortars in the gullies beyond Massa Albaneta.



On May 14, two squadrons of tanks from the 4th Armoured Regiment attacked the gorge, allowing the sappers to clear a path through the minefield. Thereafter, the enemy was prevented from planting more mines because of the armoured presence.

The German 1st Parachute Regiment was withdrawn and sent to bolster the defence against the British 4th Division. Interrogated POWs furnished the Poles with plenty of useful information: the Colle d' Onofrio-Massa Albaneta promontory was defended by the 1st Battalion of the 3rd Parachute Regiment; the 2nd Battalion, 100 Regiment was operating further north on Hill 575 and Phantom Ridge; and the 1st Battalion of that same Regiment occupied San Angelo and Hill 608.

On May 13 and 14, conferences were held and a second Operational Order was issued on the 14th. The Corps' objectives remained the same. Additionally, the Corps commander knew that Allied successes in the Liri Valley were sure to draw some of the enemy forces away from the Monte Cassino massif. He further knew that the Germans had only two weakened battalions and roughly one reserve battalion with which to carry out a counter-attack. Against these troops, the Allies could assemble the 2nd Polish Corps, the British 13th Corps, and the French Expeditionary Corps.


Soldier of the 12th Podolski Lancers Regiment


The Poles' plan was to gain control of Colle San Angelo and Hill 575 and link up with the right flank of the British 13th Corps. On May 16, the 5th Kressowa Division would capture the San Angelo-Hill 575 ridge and establish defensive positions. The 3rd Carpathian Division would capture the 593-569-476 ridge and prevent the enemy from withdrawing unmolested. "H" hour was set for 4 am on May 16. An hour later, the 5th Kressowa would attack the Phantom Ridge, while the 3rd Carpathian would seize Massa Albaneta. Later, the "H" hour was changed to 7 am, in order to coincide with the start time for the British 13th Corps' attack.



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To: Professional Engineer
Thanks PE. They might as well start from scratch on a new garage. LOL.
181 posted on 02/12/2004 7:46:45 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf
Cool looking for sure.
182 posted on 02/12/2004 8:11:58 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Spirit & Opportunity~The race is ON! Which will find the first Martian trout stream.)
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To: snippy_about_it
ROFL They tore it up but good.
183 posted on 02/12/2004 8:12:39 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Spirit & Opportunity~The race is ON! Which will find the first Martian trout stream.)
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To: Professional Engineer; Valin; SAMWolf

184 posted on 02/12/2004 8:58:53 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Professional Engineer
Looks like a job for Martha Stewart! A few pillows, a couple of throw rugs and it'll be just so cosy.
185 posted on 02/12/2004 9:03:30 PM PST by Valin (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; E.G.C.; Victoria Delsoul; colorado tanker; Matthew Paul; Darksheare
Now the perfect time to dig up Roosevelt and bitch-slap him again.

1943 at Casablanca, Moscow, Teheran, Roosevelt gushing with zeal to be Stalin's friend, demonstrates his total absense of a soul.

He would bear any burden, (or the taxpaying, brainwashed sheep would), betray any friend (Poland comes to mind), fellate any foe (and he had his Uncle Joe kneepads packed), to muddy the prospect of freedom for tens of millions for decades to come.

To Roosevelt (spit).

Let the tyrant who considers subjugating Poland be Bobbited in his sleep.

Or have his head twisted by fraternity brother and wrestling champ Rich Sobolewksi, two-fifty, a rock with no neck.

What a display of historic valor presented by Polish forces in those years caught between the rat bastards of all time, the Friendship Pact Bobbsey Twins, Adolf and Joe--memo to Satan, another thousand degrees Kelvin, and don't spare the rock salt massaged into the lash marks.

polandsholocaust.org

Monte Cassino 1944

18 maja 1944 Polacy zdobyli klasztor Monte Cassino.

18 maja 1998 w rocznicê tego zwyciêstwa otwieramy w Galerii "Ciasnej" wystawê z³o¿on¹ ze zdjêæ z albumu ówczesnego szefa sztabu V Dywizji Kresowej tzw. ¯ubrów pp³k. Stanis³awa Maleszewskiego. Album ten ofiarowali mu cz³onkowie Sztabu po zakoñczeniu walk we W³oszech. Znajduj¹ siê w nim nie tylko zdjêcia z walk o Monte Cassino, lecz te¿ wczeœniejsze z frontu w Afryce ( Palestyna ) i póŸniejsze z wyzwalania W³och. By³y one wykonane przede wszystkim przez Referat Fotograficzny Oddz. Prop. i Kult. A.W.P. ( sygnowane Chruscie ) i braci Harcaj - uczestników tych walk w Dywizji Kresowej. W³aœciciel albumu uzupe³ni³ go nastêpnie o zdjêcia prywatne od ucieczki z obozu internowania na Wêgrzech do grudnia 1947. Te fotografie s¹ najczêœciej anonimowe, kilka z nich wykona³ Jerzy Bu³hak. Du¿a czêœæ z prezentowanych tu zdjêæ nie by³a dotychczas nigdzie publikowana.

Obecnie album znajduje siê wœród pami¹tek rodzinnych Pana Wojciecha Janowskiego, któremu bardzo dziêkujemy za wypo¿yczenie go i umo¿liwienie zorganizowania wystawy.

"Krzy¿ Pami¹tkowy Monte Cassino"

"Krzy¿ Monte Cassino"


187 posted on 02/12/2004 9:49:05 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
BTTT!!!!!
188 posted on 02/13/2004 3:04:46 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: PhilDragoo
...the perfect time to dig up Roosevelt and bitch-slap him again.

...memo to Satan, another thousand degrees Kelvin, and don't spare the rock salt massaged into the lash marks.


LOL. Phil, you're simply the BEST!
189 posted on 02/13/2004 3:45:36 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Hey, I'm around; and would be happy to participate if I can. AS to why, look at the footnote on page 124, and the comment by German General Von Gersdorff on page 345.

The Hurtgen surely was a terrible fight, one that many wish had not occurred, but in my view had to, else the Battle of the Bulge might have been worse for the US.
190 posted on 02/13/2004 4:21:32 AM PST by Hurtgen (Iconoclast and proselytizer for the US Infantryman)
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To: Hurtgen; SAMWolf; colorado tanker
Hey you! Good to see you. I hadn't thought of it in relationship to the Battle of the Bulge.

Thank you Hurtgen for the offer, I'll let you know when we "revisit" the thread. Don't be a stranger, as you can see I think of you often. :-)

Sam, you have the book could you comment based on the page references Hurtgen mentions? Thanks.

(I haven't bought my book yet so I am way behind) :-(
191 posted on 02/13/2004 4:30:53 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf
The first unit to try to take Cassino was the 133d Infantry Iowa National Guard, and they almost made it! This is what I wrote on the battle from an individual's view point.

"Cassino
They moved forward again early in January 1944, taking hills leading to the Rapido River and crossing it during the night of 24 January in an effort to seize Cassino. John remembered little of three weeks that followed.
One man called it a little Stalingrad. The back and forth, see saw close range house to house fighting. Tanks trundling down blocked and rubbled streets with infantry on both sides, advancing until the tanks ran out of ammunition or were destroyed, and the infantry pushed back. The always being cold and wet, the debilitating tiredness of continual shaking and ever present fear, and never getting anything but cat naps for sleep,of watching friends killed and wounded, and wondering who was next.
Each of the Italian houses was a fortress with walls several feet thick. In some, the Germans had built pillboxes containing antitank and machineguns that covered the critical intersections. John’s unit developed several techniques to reduce the German positions. Since doors and windows were usually covered by fire, the infantrymen used tanks or bazookas to blast entry points through walls. They found the pillboxes took fewer rounds to penetrate than the houses. When available, they used 8” howitzers to fire directly into the houses.

One afternoon in early February, about the tenth day of the battle, John’s company, supported by a platoon of tanks, attacked into the smoke blanketed northern sector of Cassino proper. A squad walked in front of the lead tank, the remaining two squads of that platoon behind. The company headquarters followed the second tank, one platoon the third tank, and John’s platoon split into two groups, John’s squad with the platoon headquarters following the fourth tank, while the remaining two squads brought up the rear. The company stood at fewer than 80 men, the preceding ten days of combat sapping almost half the company’s strength through both battle and non-battle casualties.
Once they reached the outlying buildings, most two stories high, John watched as the lead elements began clearing each house individually, 5 or 6 men working against each. First, a tank fired into the house, creating smoke and dust and suppressing those inside—after which three men rushed forward, tossed in a grenade, waited for the blast and then rushed through the door. The covering group fired rifle grenades through the upper windows, driving any Germans on the second floor down the stairs to be killed or captured by the men inside.
Then the next group would leapfrog the first and repeat the process. Two men remained in each cleared house to ensure the Germans did not reoccupy and the remainder continued down the street with the tanks.
As the band reached the first crossroad, a hidden anti-tank gun knocked out the third tank in the column while machine gun fire drove the remaining infantrymen into the doorways of houses alongside the street. The two leading tanks couldn’t pull back past the burning tank, so they stayed and fired their cannon and machineguns at every doorway and window nearby. John, his company commander and about 5 other infantrymen rushed across a small square and seized two big buildings. They spent the rest of the night holding the building, waiting for reinforcements. Unfortunately, during the night, the two tanks found a way around the disabled vehicle and pulled back. With no radio communications, the commander relied on runners to get through to battalion: but none ever returned. When the sun rose in the morning, and no relief in sight, he pulled the company back out of the town, picking up the riflemen who had remained in each house as they recoiled. John wished that support had come, as he hated seeing good men wasted in a successful attack that had had to be abandoned.
During the third week of February, there wasn’t much movement forward. John’s company had captured the jail sometime during the second week and had held on, too exhausted and too battered by the German fire to do more than await relief. Some of the fights had degenerated to rock throwing after both sides had run out of grenades, playing toss between houses just ten yards apart.
Unable to able to dig in the frozen ground, John and the others resorted to piling rubble around them for protection. The cold wet weather caused more casualties than the Germans, with trench foot and respiratory diseases affecting almost everyone. The only replacements to make it to the front lines were men from headquarters, motor pools, and kitchens. Soldiers remained pinned in these positions during the day because of the closeness of the enemy, and didn’t move at night lest they be caught in the open by German shelling.
A general from outside the division visited once, and received an earful from officers and enlisted alike on how the battle was progressing. When General Lemnitzer returned to 15th Army Group, he said the men around Cassino were dispirited and almost mutinous, and he recommended they be pulled out of the line for rest.
In the three weeks between its first attack to take the Italian barracks area and the final effort in the northeastern corner of Cassino, the 133d Infantry had captured 138 prisoners but had lost 132 killed, 492 wounded, and 115 missing; most from rifle companies. Nonbattle casualties probably reached over 1000, again primarily in the companies on the front lines. John’s rifle company, like most of the others, averaged fewer than 50 men present when they pulled off the line."
Extracted from GI, the US Infantryman in World War II" 131-134
192 posted on 02/13/2004 5:21:09 AM PST by Hurtgen (Iconoclast and proselytizer for the US Infantryman)
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To: Hurtgen
With no radio communications, the commander relied on runners to get through to battalion: but none ever returned. When the sun rose in the morning, and no relief in sight, he pulled the company back out of the town, picking up the riflemen who had remained in each house as they recoiled. John wished that support had come, as he hated seeing good men wasted in a successful attack that had had to be abandoned.

Hurtgen I just love the way you write. I'm always on the edge of my seat, so to speak, when reading your descriptions. Thanks so much for this excerpt on Cassino.

193 posted on 02/13/2004 5:40:52 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Gizara


Adam Misiewicz

You're welcome, I thank your cousin for his service

194 posted on 02/13/2004 7:36:38 AM PST by SAMWolf (Incontinence Hotline, please hold.)
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To: PhilDragoo
Morning Phil Dragoo.

It used to get interesting at some of my family get togethers, my in-laws think Roosevelt was the best thing since the thirty-round magazine and my dad has no use for him, he feels he sold Poland out to the Communists. We don't discuss politics much at our family events.

Thanks for the additional links. There's some heartbreaking stories there.
195 posted on 02/13/2004 7:42:00 AM PST by SAMWolf (Incontinence Hotline, please hold.)
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To: Gizara
Good morning Gizara. Thank you for sharing about your cousin at the FReeper Foxhole. We are thankful for his service and we thank you for yours also.
196 posted on 02/13/2004 7:47:59 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Hurtgen; snippy_about_it; colorado tanker
Hi Hurtgen. Thanks. That'll teach me not to read foot notes. My other reading on the Hurtgen concentrated on the battle for the town of Schmidt.

From "Hell in the Hurtgen Forest." Robert Sterling Rush

The town of Schmidt and the Schwammenaul Dam have been the object of much controversy over the years. In the operational orders of First Army, VII Corps and the 9th Infantry Division, there is no mention of seizing the dam, which when it's water was released precluded a crossing of the Roer River to the north.

Carles B. MacDonald, in his book "The Battle of the Hurtgen Forest" and most recently Edward Miller, in "A Dark and Bloody Ground" castigated the American commanders for not identifying the dams as objectives until late November, but in this author's opinion, to take Schmidt and the high ground near it was to control the dam, and the next obvious step after Schmidt was the Schwammenaul Dam. The change in the 9th Division's objectives from the town of Hurtgen to Schmidt is a clear indication, although not shown in any orders, that the commanders were aware of the dams. The American dilemma was that, in order to cross the Roer River, the dams had to be taken, howver to take the dams, the sector west of the Roer in the Grosshau-Hurtgen-Bergstein area had to be taken. All U.S. attacks towards Schmidt were unsucessful as long as the Germans had counterattack routes into the flanks of the American attackers.
197 posted on 02/13/2004 7:56:07 AM PST by SAMWolf (Incontinence Hotline, please hold.)
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To: Hurtgen
Thanks for the description of the fighting at Cassino. And today the people expect instant results.
198 posted on 02/13/2004 8:01:08 AM PST by SAMWolf (Incontinence Hotline, please hold.)
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To: SAMWolf
Bump for later reading.
199 posted on 02/13/2004 10:35:08 AM PST by DoctorMichael (Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it.)
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To: SAMWolf
actually, while he & Averill come to visit us fairly frequently, he/she live in Scotland.

free dixie,sw

200 posted on 02/13/2004 12:57:27 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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