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Posted on 12/14/2003 12:01:35 AM PST by SAMWolf
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Flying Boxcar
Fairchild C-119J
The C-119, developed from the WW II Fairchild C-82, was designed to carry cargo, personnel, litter patients, and mechanized equipment, and to drop cargo and troops by parachute. The first
C-119 made its initial flight in November 1947 and by the time production ceased in 1955, more
than 1,100 C-119s had been built.
The USAF used the airplane extensively during the Korean War and many were supplied to the U.S.
Navy and Marine Corps and to the Air Forces of Canada, Belgium, Italy, and India. In South
Vietnam, the airplane once again entered combat, this time in a ground support role as AC-119
"gunships" mounting side-firing weapons capable of firing up to 6,000 rounds per minute per gun.
The C-119J on display was specially modified for the mid-air retrieval of space capsules
re-entering the atmosphere from orbit. On August 19, 1960, this aircraft made the world's first
midair recovery of a capsule returning from orbit when it "snagged" the parachute lowering the
Discoverer XIV satellite at 8,000 feet altitude 360 miles southwest of Honolulu, Hawaii.
The airplane was delivered to the Museum in November 1963.
SPECIFICATIONS Span: 109 ft. 3 1/4 in.
Length: 86 ft. 5 3/4 in.
Height: 26 ft. 7 3/4 in.
Weight: 66,900 lbs. max.
Armament: None
Engines: Two Wright R-3350s of 3,500 hp. ea.
Cost: $590,000
Serial Number: 51-8037
C/N: 10915
PERFORMANCE Maximum speed: 290 mph.
Cruising speed: 200 mph.
Range: 2,000 miles
Service Ceiling: 30,000 ft.

Today's Educational Sources and suggestions for further reading:
www.qmmuseum.lee.army.mil/korea/
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12/14/2003 12:01:35 AM PST
by
SAMWolf
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posted on
12/14/2003 12:02:36 AM PST
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SAMWolf
(A peek at the answer is worth a thousand guesses.)
To: Aeronaut; carton253; Matthew Paul; mark502inf; Skylight; The Mayor; Professional Engineer; PsyOp; ..

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posted on
12/14/2003 12:03:21 AM PST
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SAMWolf
(A peek at the answer is worth a thousand guesses.)
To: SAMWolf
Good Morning Snippy:
The first airdrop of a bridge to troops engaged in combat.
On the morning of December 7, 1950, a rush call was received. An unusual item was to be airdropped to the beleaguered troops at Chosin Reservoir. Aerial delivery technicians were required at a forward airbase to prepare and help deliver the item. Immediately, a detachment from the 8081st, led by Captain Hospelhorn, was dispatched to the airbase. Once there the Para-Quartermasters were shown an eight-section treadway bridge and told to figure out a way to drop it.
It was decided that each section of the bridge should be delivered in a C-119 aircraft and carried to earth by two 48-foot parachutes.
The men worked through the night rigging the bridge sections. In the morning the sections were loaded aboard eight Flying Boxcars. Once in the air, the sections had to be moved again. It had been decided at an Army-Air Force briefing that at 1,000 feet the sections would be moved so that seven feet of the 16-foot length of each section would extend past the rear opening of the plane. This was necessary to facilitate a fast drop because the drop zone was only 300 yards long. However, with careful planning each section hit well within the limits of the prescribed area.
Captain Hospeihorn, for distinguishing himself in this action, received the Legion of Merit. Thus, the story of the 8081st is written; a story of the individual and combined efforts of all members of the unit.
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posted on
12/14/2003 12:16:10 AM PST
by
SAMWolf
(A peek at the answer is worth a thousand guesses.)
To: SAMWolf
Good morning Sam.
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posted on
12/14/2003 12:20:29 AM PST
by
Aeronaut
(In my humble opinion, the new expression for backing down from a fight should be called 'frenching')
To: Aeronaut
Morning Aeronaut.
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posted on
12/14/2003 12:22:55 AM PST
by
SAMWolf
(A peek at the answer is worth a thousand guesses.)
To: snippy_about_it
Number 3 was for you.
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posted on
12/14/2003 12:24:04 AM PST
by
SAMWolf
(A peek at the answer is worth a thousand guesses.)
To: SAMWolf
I remember the C-119 era well. I was an Army dependent in Japan from 1956 to '59, when Korea was the center of attention. I remember the men talking about the 8081st. My Dad used to fly back and forth to Korea in a C-119, which he called "the flying coffin". There were in those days maybe six or ten C-119's lost a year.
The Wright R-3350's, truly the epitome of the radial era, had an unfortunate way of losing oil pressure in seconds, and a loaded aircraft needed two engines to fly.
Knew and old 187th RCT guy, lost track of him a few years ago, who was in the combat drop mentioned in the article. The ground was all big rocks and you couldn't dig in where he was wounded (by Chinese mortar fire). He was as close to the ground as he could get and was wounded just as you would expect from ground bursts in that situation. To make things clear, Snippy, as you try to move around under fire, in order to pull your knees up one at a time you have to raise your behind up in the air, making it a good target!! Remember the sound of mortar fragments maybe six inches above my head, loud buggers!!
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12/14/2003 2:03:22 AM PST
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Iris7
("Duty, Honor, Country". The first of these is Duty, and is known only through His Grace)
To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Darksheare; Johnny Gage; Light Speed; Samwise; ...
Good morning all at the FReeper Foxhole! 
THANK YOU service men and women, past and present, for serving the USA!

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12/14/2003 2:46:49 AM PST
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radu
(May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
To: SAMWolf
Good morning Sam and everyone at the Freeper Foxhole. WE GOT SADDAM!!!!!!WOOHOO!!!!!!
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posted on
12/14/2003 3:06:10 AM PST
by
E.G.C.
To: E.G.C.

Merry Christmas! Smoke 'em if you got 'em!
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posted on
12/14/2003 3:50:13 AM PST
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Samwise
(There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
To: Samwise; E.G.C.; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Darksheare; Johnny Gage; Light Speed; ...

What a lovely sight!!
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12/14/2003 4:56:50 AM PST
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radu
(May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: radu
He looks like Anti-Claus....
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posted on
12/14/2003 5:52:39 AM PST
by
Darksheare
(For the crimes of Heresy of thought, Heresy of word, and Heresy of deed, this tagline shall burn!)
To: SAMWolf
I'm a quartermaster in the Navy, but our job is a little different:
"Quartermasters (QM) stand watch as assistants to officers of the deck and to the navigator; serve as steersmen and perform ship control, navigation, and bridge watch duties; procure, correct, use, and stow navigational and oceanographic publications and charts; maintain navigational instruments and keep correct navigational time; render "honors and ceremonies" in accordance with national observance and foreign customs; and serve as petty officers in charge of tugs, self propelled barges, and other yard and district craft."

QM rating symbol
To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it

This was my wallpaper until snippy sent me the big deck gator pic (and even in the days of GPS, we still do this stuff now).
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; All

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To: bentfeather; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; All
Today is a great day indeed!
To: Professional Engineer; All

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GOD BLESS OUR MIGHTY NATION.
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