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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers the 31st RCT at the Chosin Reservoir (Nov. 1950)- Nov. 27th, 2003
Army History Foundation ^ | Matthew J. Seelinger, AHF Research Historian

Posted on 11/27/2003 12:01:14 AM PST by SAMWolf

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To: Colonel_Flagg; snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; PhilDragoo
Zombie turkeys, desecrated vegetables, gooey gravy, and cranberry ammo.
THat's the Thanksgiving I remember most, in uniform.
Our captain at the time looked at the turkey, looked at me, and said, "I don'tknow about you, but gimme the MRE."
141 posted on 11/27/2003 7:24:54 PM PST by Darksheare (Even as we speak, my 100,000 killer wombat army marches forth)
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To: snippy_about_it
LOL ..

See my new tagline. ;)

142 posted on 11/27/2003 7:24:55 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("I keep myself in a constant state of utter confusion." - Self)
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To: Darksheare
"I don'tknow about you, but gimme the MRE."

Now that's desperate!

143 posted on 11/27/2003 7:27:15 PM PST by SAMWolf (Happy ThanksGiving from The Freeper Foxhole)
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To: PhilDragoo
China..still at war with the U.S.

China Reform Monitor No. 205, May 19, 1999
American Foreign Policy Council, Washington, D.C.

According to the FBI, Chinese hackers have attacked U.S. Government computer information systems, including the White House and Pentagon, in response to the bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, reports Bill Gertz in the Washington Times. The FBI report, "China Cyber Activities," states, "Much of this [attack] activity traces back to Chinese addresses, and much of the reporting of this activity comes from official Chinese news sources."

The Pentagon and CIA have previously warned of such "asymmetrical warfare" incidents. According to Chinese military doctrinal writings, the People's Liberation Army is developing information-warfare capabilities designed to cripple communications systems and high-technology weapons. The FBI report said targets of the post-May 7 Chinese cyber-attacks have included the Departments of Interior, Energy and State, the U.S. Embassy in China and the White House." Pentagon computer systems were disrupted last week by mass e-mailings that are believed to have originated in China. On May 11, the official White House web site was shut down after an attempt was made to break into the system's operating page. According to the official China Daily newspaper, hackers broke into the official web site of the U.S. Embassy in Beijing and inserted the slogan "Down with the barbarians."

The FBI report did not say whether the Chinese government was behind the attacks. However, Stephen Bryen, a former Pentagon official, says the Chinese government maintains tight control over Internet service providers. It is unlikely cyber attacks could be launched by individuals without the approval of the government. Bryen said these incidents of Chinese electronic warfare indicate "the Chinese are just practicing," because the origin was not disguised. In more sophisticated attacks, it is difficult to detect the source.

CIA warns of Chinese cyber-attacks on U.S.

By Eric Lichtblau
Los Angeles Times
Published April 25, 2002

WASHINGTON -- U.S. intelligence officials believe the Chinese military is working to launch wide-scale cyber-attacks on American and Taiwanese computer networks, including Internet-linked military systems considered vulnerable to sabotage, according to a classified CIA report.

Moreover, U.S. authorities are bracing for a possible wave of hacking attacks by Chinese students against the United States in coming weeks, according to the analysis. The confidential alert, which was reviewed by The Times, was sent to intelligence officials a week ago.

Although U.S. officials have voiced concerns about individual hackers in China who have defaced federal and private Web sites, the United States has resisted publicly linking the Chinese government to those attacks or to broader cyber-style warfare.

The new CIA report, however, makes clear that U.S. intelligence analysts have become increasingly concerned that authorities in Beijing are actively planning to damage and disrupt U.S. computer systems through the use of Internet hacking and computer viruses.

Although the assessment concludes that China has not yet acquired the technical sophistication to do broad damage to U.S. and Taiwanese systems, it maintains that this is the "intended goal" of the People's Liberation Army in China. "The mission of Chinese special forces includes physical sabotage" of vulnerable systems, the report says--which some analysts said is driven by China's hostility toward Taiwan.

The Chinese Embassy in Washington insisted Wednesday, however, that Beijing is only conducting computer research that is strictly defensive in nature.

"It is not the Chinese government's policy to disrupt the computer system of any other country," said Larry Wu, an official in the embassy's science and technology section.

"We do research on the security of computers, of course--self-defense to understand how a hacker can get into our computer systems so we can defend it," he said. "But China has never assumed an offensive stance with regards to computer technology."

But several specialists in Chinese security and military affairs said the CIA's conclusions jibe with their own observations about China's research into offensive-minded cyber-tools.

"We should be very worried about this issue," said James Mulvenon, a China analyst at the Rand Corp. think tank who has done extensive studies into Chinese computer capabilities.

Taiwan, which China regards as a renegade province, appears to be the driving force behind the Chinese interest in hacking and viruses, Mulvenon said. Under one scenario, if China were to make good on its long-standing threat to invade Taiwan, the Chinese military could then seek to deploy widespread computer disruptions against American and Taiwanese military systems to slow any effort by U.S. forces to intervene in Taiwan's defense, he said.

The issue threatens to inflame what are invariably tense relations between the United States and the Communist regime in China, relations already frayed by a volley of charges and counter charges during the last several years over alleged nuclear, military and political espionage.

Relations hit a low point last year after a U.S. spy plane collided with a Chinese jet fighter, triggering an international standoff over the return of the plane's 24 Navy crewmen. China detained the crew members for 11 days and returned the disassembled plane months later.

Recent months have seen a warming in relations as the Bush administration secured China's cooperation in the war on terrorism. But China has become upset by what it sees as the White House's increasingly favorable overtures toward Taiwan.

The CIA's assessment discusses Taiwan and the United States, revealing that U.S. intelligence officials believe both are targets of the Chinese military.

"The People's Liberation Army does not yet have the capability to carry out its intended goal of disrupting Taiwanese military and civilian infrastructures or U.S. military logistics using computer virus attacks," said the CIA's report, which was included in a broader national security assessment that authorities distributed to intelligence officials.

"China's virus attack capabilities are similar to those of sophisticated hackers and are limited to temporary disruption of sectors that use the Internet," the CIA review said. "A Chinese virus attack is capable of reaching e-mail communications, lap tops brought into China, and U.S. Internet-based military computers."

A U.S. intelligence official who was briefed on the issue but asked not to be identified said analysts believe that, although the most sensitive U.S. military databases are secure from hackers and viruses, Internet-based military systems that are used for communications with bases around the world and with outside military vendors could be vulnerable.

"These aren't the keys to the kingdom we're talking about," the official said. "There's no danger that the Chinese are going to hack into our nuclear launch codes, but there is the danger they could gather useful intelligence from penetrating some of the less sensitive networks that the Department of Defense utilizes all over the world."

Recent U.S. intelligence indicates, the official said, "that the Chinese government is actively and aggressively working on their cyber-war capability. They have a lot of people and a lot of brainpower, and they're smart enough to appreciate that a significant aspect of any future armed conflict is going to be cyber in nature."

Another government official who asked not to be identified cautioned, however, that the immediate threat posed by Chinese computer disruptions is fairly limited.

"This is something we're certainly concerned about. But in terms of their being able to disrupt Taiwan or U.S. military and civilian infrastructure, they can't do it yet. That's the story."

The concept of nations launching cyber-attacks against their enemies is a relatively new phenomenon, but it is drawing rising concern from U.S. authorities as they assess vulnerability in the national computer infrastructure. In an effort to beef up security, budget planners are projecting an increase of more than 50% next year in overall computer security, bringing the total to more than $4 billion.

The CIA report does not reveal how intelligence analysts arrived at their conclusions, and Jonathan Pollack, chairman of the strategic research department at the Naval War College, cautioned that there are still many unanswered questions about China's plans.

"China is still an issue that worries Americans deeply, and sometimes the intelligence community gets a head of steam on these things and can go off on tangents that may not be substantiated," he said.

Last year, the spy plane confrontation triggered an avalanche of about 1,200 attacks against U.S. government and commercial Web sites that were disrupted or defaced. Many of the attacks appeared to have been generated by students in China, with private hackers leaving patriotic pro-China messages or vowing revenge for the death of a Chinese pilot in the plane collision. Several hundred attacks on Chinese Web sites were blamed on American hackers, although some U.S. technology experts discounted that explanation.

The CIA assessment said China's "nonstate hacking community continues to pose the most immediate threat to U.S. computer networks."

It went on to warn that hackers in China "appear to be organizing for cyber-attacks again this spring, particularly during student breaks early next month and around the anniversary of the EP-3 [surveillance plane] incident."

The anniversary of the EP-3 collision passed uneventfully this month. But private security groups say they too have picked up on possible Chinese-based attacks in coming weeks--tied to the plane episode as well as China's national youth day on May 4 and the May 8 anniversary of the U.S.'s accidental bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade in 1999.

"We're warning our people about it and making sure everyone has their Web sites updated with the proper patches" to guard against denial-of-service attacks and other hacking, said Michael Cheek, director of intelligence for iDefense, a security intelligence service that has government and corporate clients around the world.

The U.S. intelligence official said that analysts suspect last year's hackings had the "tacit blessing," and even perhaps the active involvement, of the Chinese government.

Indeed, a report due out next month from Mulvenon and the Rand Corp., which does research for the U.S. government, will allege that the Chinese government was directly involved in at least one round of hack attacks.

After a spate of attacks against Web sites in the United States, Australia, Canada and England maintained by the Falun Gong religious movement--which China considers an "evil cult"--Mulvenon said his investigation unearthed evidence showing that at least one U.S. attack originated with the Chinese Ministry of Public Security.

"It's very clear to us that this was the ministry's doing, and it was a deliberate attempt to smear Falun Gong," he said.

144 posted on 11/27/2003 7:28:53 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: SAMWolf
We were.
Somehow they'd managed to desecrate the food.
(However, it was made up to us later.)
The Cap looked about ready to pull a "Slim Picken's" from Dr. Strangelove.
145 posted on 11/27/2003 7:32:26 PM PST by Darksheare (Even as we speak, my 100,000 killer wombat army marches forth)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
LOL. One more before bedtime.

There's only one flaw in that theory.

146 posted on 11/27/2003 7:36:42 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Light Speed
The Falun Gong have a compound near me, and Chinese Secret police/Spies were caught on campus.
(Deerpark, NY.)
The local police chief ran up and apologized profusely to the Chinese criminals harrassing teh Falun Gong, and gave them free passage out of Deerpark.
Later it was rumored that the FBI were interested in the Chinese officials spying on teh Falun Gong, and were upset with the Deerpark Police chief for letting them go.
The Falun Gong were notably upset, since the chief said he'd cite THEM for unlawful detainment for blocking teh 'diplomatic' vehicle ostensibly on a tour of the area INSIDE the compound on private property.
(The 'official' business stated by the Government thugs from China was that they were 'sight seeing'... manuy miles form their embassy in NYC.)
147 posted on 11/27/2003 7:37:35 PM PST by Darksheare (Even as we speak, my 100,000 killer wombat army marches forth)
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To: Darksheare
Yep! LOL.
148 posted on 11/27/2003 7:37:45 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
"I was a Showgirl for six weeks!"
149 posted on 11/27/2003 7:39:28 PM PST by Darksheare (Even as we speak, my 100,000 killer wombat army marches forth)
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To: Light Speed
Hi Light Speed.

The Chinese are our enemy, no matter how much any administrations want to deny it.
150 posted on 11/27/2003 7:40:35 PM PST by SAMWolf (Happy ThanksGiving from The Freeper Foxhole)
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To: Darksheare
LOL. Not you too??
151 posted on 11/27/2003 7:41:02 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf
Thanks! I saved it for today as I thought it was a very special quote.
152 posted on 11/27/2003 8:00:54 PM PST by RJayneJ
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To: Darksheare; SAMWolf
D.S.,..your comments about Deerpark N.Y.,..how does that spin today when a China national was rescued by media run..in America doing social work..with Liberal's dancing all about...only to be disclosed later that she was a spy for the Chi Coms and was sending chip technology back to China.[* do not have her name on hand but saw the news run on CNN]

Some ponder that her **Crisis back in China was arranged for her to smoothly integrate into the *Capitalist Running Dogs Society.

It would'nt suprise me that China has players all over the game board..people are'nt who they sem to be.

Wen Ho Lee Walks

According to American prosecutors, Wen Ho Lee was the greatest nuclear spy since Klaus Fuchs stole the plans for the first atomic bomb and passed them on to Stalin. They persuaded federal Judge James Parker to deny the Chinese American bail pending trial, and pushed him into imposing nine months' imprisonment under strict, cruel conditions. That was supposed to prevent Lee, accused of spying for China, from leaking more secrets — as if any real spy under the spotlight would further compromise himself or his contacts in such a way. Then suddenly, Lee walks free under a plea bargain of the kind usually involving petty drug dealers. The prosecutors dropped 58 charges, pressing only one of mishandling classified information.

My comment:Its strange ..China gets caught spying..and Economic/corporate powers run to do more business with the Devious Dragon...with the blessing of Government.


153 posted on 11/27/2003 8:56:21 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: SAMWolf
China's J-10 All Weather Interceptor/Attack


This thing is a splice F-16 and EuroTyphoon airframe..and it does have capability.

Aircraft thrust to weight ratio's are similar now in several airforces..allong with canard and vector nozzle assist for snappy turning and ground attack.
What truly sets the best apart from the average is the multiplexing radar suites and over the horizon targeting computers.

China is catching up quickly in ability...they are able to mimic..the concern is that in time..they will have tooling and production capabilty to start producing airframes like J-10..then sell them to who ever.

Rumor is that they are learning *Hypervelocity munitions.
This is an arena that U.S.,Russia and Israel have had to themselves..and is..a great equalizer when tactical projection is weighed.

Soon..toys will not be their primary focus for export.

154 posted on 11/27/2003 9:19:13 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; Darksheare; Colonel_Flagg; Light Speed

Play it, SAM.

Re ChiComs:

When their ace pilot Wen No Brain flew his FUBAR-5 through the number one Veg-O-Matic of our EP-3C, and they held the crew. . . .

I, like all good melicans, emailed the Chinese Embassy, not being able to actually target it with PGMs.

I then received numerous (numerous) pings from various "technical institutes" in China, Korea, and elsewhere in Asia.

China has two signals intelligence installations on Cuba, one of which spoofed NYC air traffic control into thinking it was U.S. military.

During the coming year we expect Hitlery and her beard to engineer an event in CONUS with or without an attack on POTUS.

We have no hard intel, hence the alert level remains puce, rather than being upped to chartreuse.

We will deal with the Mongols tomorrow.

Tonight we raise our tankards to the Foxhole:


155 posted on 11/27/2003 9:27:39 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo; Light Speed
We seem to have a habit of trusting our enemies as they work to destroy us. China is the latest example. Only this time our enemies are getting help from our political parties who refuse to see China as a threat.
156 posted on 11/27/2003 11:00:32 PM PST by SAMWolf (Happy ThanksGiving from The Freeper Foxhole)
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To: Darksheare
Me, I'm waiting for the pumpkin pie to become available. If it doesn't become available for raiding soon, I'll just have to ninja it out of sight stealthily....

I hope you were nice and left some of that pie for the others.
Ugh...I can't think of pie - - not even chok-lit pie - - right now. LOL!! If it wasn't pouring outside right now, I'd go for a walk around the farm to see if I could work some of this food down a bit. I'm beat but too full to go to sleep. 8-\

I hope you had a great Turkey Day.

157 posted on 11/28/2003 1:15:46 AM PST by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: PhilDragoo
BTTT!!!!!!!
158 posted on 11/28/2003 3:09:42 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: PhilDragoo; SAMWolf; Darksheare; Colonel_Flagg

We must remember this!

160 posted on 11/28/2003 4:09:17 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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