The FReeper Foxhole Remembers the Katyn Forest Massacre (Poland~1940) - October 13th, 2003

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[SAMWolf]

Morning E.G.C. More rain for today.

[SAMWolf]

Morning Samwise.

Snippy had a tough time working on this thread. It's not an easy subject to research and not be affected by it emotionally.

[SAMWolf]

Morning Snopercod. Thanks for the bump

[SAMWolf]

Mornig Darksheare. The NKVD and the Communists in general were mastere at mass murder. They could outdo the Nazi's at it.

[SAMWolf]

Morning Mayor. Thinnk I'll grab a double dose this morning.

[snippy_about_it]

I heard about Katyn, the Uprising and the Soviet occupation from my Dad...

...and thank you SAM for sharing it with me. I learn a lot, not just from the Foxhole but from time spent in conversation with you and I value that education greatly.

[SAMWolf]

Morning aomagrat.

Nice touch with the "hugh" ALABAMA over the bridge. What was with that?

[SAMWolf]

Hi Manna!

[snippy_about_it]

Thank you Colonel, yes it's a grim thread but many of ours are. You can't tell the story of sacrifices for freedom without some sadness.

On a lighter note:
Any day off work is a good one. Sorry you have to work today but glad to see moving week has finally arrived.

btw-I received a "marginal defeat" yesterday after a gruelling (for the Japanese) 8 hours of battle at Wake Island. Not too shabby for a beginner. I'm having a great time even when I lose!! :)

[SAMWolf]

Morning SCDogPapa

[SAMWolf]

There's also Pol Pot and Castro.

The only reason Castro hasn't had mass executions is that he has a smaller polulation to work with and he needs the slave labor. Yet, the leftest Press and Hollywood adore the guy. Go figure.

[snippy_about_it]

Good morning HiJinx.

...what a depressing, heart-rending topic to research and report on.

The trouble with having to pull these threads together is having to read them over and over again, but I wouldn't have it any other way. I'm happy to do it and this way the history really sinks in.

It's fitting that Poland was the first Soviet satellite to throw off the chains of opression.

I hadn't thought of that. You are so right. Thank you.

[w_over_w]

Morning Glory Snip & Sam~

. . .

[snippy_about_it]

In other words, "We did it, but the world believes the Germans did. Therefore, leave the story as its stands." Thankfully, the documents were not destroyed and we now know the truth about Katyn.

It amazes me that they were still going to try to hide the facts.

Thank you SAM for adding to the thread. There is a lot of good information out there about Stalin's atrocities.

[snippy_about_it]

Morning w_over_w...

[SCDogPapa]

Mornin' Sam!

[Darksheare]

It does.
Unfortunately, there's so much to cover.
Siberian 're-education' camps, 2 Dzherzinsky square's basement area where many people met their end to a 9mm brain hemorrhage.
As well as exiling or murdering anyone who appeared to be a threat, however slight, to Stalin.
There's way too much to cover.

[Darksheare]

Yes.
And many of the political left in Europe admired him as well.

[Darksheare]

Russia had over 7 million dead, mostly by Stalin's terror campaigns against the Russian people themselves.
(There is an actual number, just don't rightly remember it at the moment.)

[SAMWolf]

1925 Margaret Thatcher (Tory) British PM (1979-90) Iron Lady

She was a hell of a woman!

(On Who Got Credit For Ending The Cold War) "The role of Ronald Reagan had been deliberately diminished; the role of the Europeans, who, with the exception of Helmet Kohl, were often keen to undermine America when it mattered, had been sanitized; and the role of Mr. Gorbachev, who had failed spectacularly in his declared objective of saving communism and the Soviet Union, had been absurdly misunderstood."

-- Margaret Thatcher

"As the former dissident Vladimir Bukovsky one remarked -- referring to the Russian proverb to the effect that you cannot make an omlette without breaking eggs -- he had seen plenty of broken eggs, but had never tasted any omlette."

-- Margaret Thatcher

"The West as a whole in the early 1990s become obsessed with a 'peace dividend' that would be spent over and over again on any number of soft-hearted and sometimes soft-headed causes. Politicians forget that the only real peace dividend is peace."

-- Margaret Thatcher

(On Putting Women in Combat) "Women have plenty of roles in which they can serve with distinction: some of us even run countries. But generally we are better at wielding the handbag than the bayonet."

-- Margaret Thatcher

"...Conservatives have excellent credentials to speak about human rights. By our efforts, and with precious little help from self-styled liberals, we were largely responsible for securing liberty for a substantial share of the world's population and defending it for most of the rest."

-- Margaret Thatcher

"Whether it is in the United States or in mainland Europe, written constitutions have one great weakness. That is that they contain the potential to have judges take decisions which should properly be made by Democratically elected politicians."

-- Margaret Thatcher

"(A unified) 'Europe' is the result of plans. It is, in fact, a classic utopian project, a monument to the vanity of intellectuals, a programme whose inevitable destiny is failure: only the scale of the final damage done is in doubt."

-- Margaret Thatcher