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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers the Katyn Forest Massacre (Poland~1940) - October 13th, 2003
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Posted on 10/13/2003 4:15:26 AM PDT by snippy_about_it

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To: colorado tanker; PhilDragoo
You will sell us the rope..with which we will hang you!

Now its been revamped to read: "We will buy U.S. dollars and guide you into a U.N. trap...you will fall in so deep..you will call for a rope..which we have [Purchased over the internet]..and we will use it to lower a bomb down to you at the bottom of the well."

141 posted on 10/14/2003 1:51:42 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Light Speed
From what I can see Kofi Annan is trying to do just that - tie us down into a UN run world socialist state, sort of a EU on steroids. He really seems to think he and his French, Russian and German buddies can run George Bush out of Washington. Whatever Kofi is on, its a lot stronger than Rush's painkillers.
142 posted on 10/14/2003 2:54:08 PM PDT by colorado tanker (And I'll see you someday on Fiddlers Green)
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To: Matthew Paul
Thank you Matt for translating this poem for us about Katyn and posting it here on the thread. It's very moving.
144 posted on 10/14/2003 4:49:22 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: PhilDragoo
And I recommend the Eric Hoffer True Believer; it shows how Terry McCauliffe and Josef Goebbels are cut from the same cloth:That's for sure, McCauliffe is the sleazeist of the sleazy
145 posted on 10/14/2003 5:07:06 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Lost interest? It's so bad I've lost apathy!)
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To: Matthew Paul
Thanks for the translation Matt.
146 posted on 10/14/2003 5:09:17 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Lost interest? It's so bad I've lost apathy!)
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To: Matthew Paul
Thanks, indeed, Matthew Paul. It's staggerering that this could be so casually done, and never known about or else forgotten by the world. Just another round of mass-murdering by Stalin's trained monsters..... Fifteen thousand of Poland's finest, who kept hoping until their murders that the West would not forget them.
147 posted on 10/14/2003 5:19:37 PM PDT by xJones
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
For more of the cruelty of the Soviets,Google Latvia,Year of Horror.We say too little of the horrors of Stalin,Mao ,and Pol Pot.Thank you for the story the Katyn massacre.
148 posted on 10/22/2003 2:03:34 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: PhilDragoo
LOL!..Love the Goebbels, McAuliffe comparison.
149 posted on 10/22/2003 2:09:15 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: MEG33
Thank you for the story the Katyn massacre.

You're welcome. It was something I didn't know a lot about and thanks to SAMWolf and Matthew Paul for their encouragement and assistance we were able to bring it here to Foxhole.

150 posted on 10/22/2003 3:30:42 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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They Shall Not Be Forgotten: Remembering the Victims of Katyn

They Shall Not Be Forgotten:
Remembering the Victims of Katyn

by Michael Whitcraft

Whittaker Chambers recounts feeling that Communism had crushed his will.

Reflecting on the sad state to which Communism had reduced him one cold autumn evening in 1948, Whittaker Chambers describes feeling that he no long had the will to continue his struggles against the Communist party. “It was that death of the will which Communism, with great cunning, always tries to induce in its victims.”1

To bring this reality to the forefront, over 100 Polish Americans gathered at the National Katyn Memorial in Baltimore, Md. on April 24, 2005 to remember a massacre, in which 20,000 Polish military officers (mostly reservists) were brutally killed in and around Russia’s Katyn Forest in 1940. These included priests, doctors, professors, school teachers, lawyers, judges, civil servants and others.

The massacre was directed against Poland’s religious, cultural and intellectual elite, exemplifying Mr. Chamber’s words with one important difference. The Katyn Massacre was not only an attempt to kill the will of an individual, but that of an entire nation.

The National Katyn Memorial in Baltimore stands at the intersection of President and Aliceanna Streets.

A Yearly Remembrance
This year’s event was the fifth annual remembrance at the National Katyn Memorial in Baltimore. The day’s events began with a Mass at Holy Rosary Parish in downtown Baltimore. After coffee and doughnuts, attendees went to the nearby National Katyn Memorial at the intersection of President and Aliceanna Streets.

The monument consists of a large gold-colored flame, a symbol of rebirth or transformation. Amid the flames stand statues of great personages from Poland’s history, including: Boleslaw Chrobry, the first crowned king of Poland and King Jan Sobieski, who led his winged hussars to defeat the Turks and lift the siege of Vienna.

Despite a frigid wind, the attendees remained committed to carry on to the end. One jovial middle-aged man commented: “Every time we plan an event at the memorial, we can be sure there will be bad weather. At least it did not rain this year.”

The impressive list of guest speakers included a representative from Gov. Robert Erlich’s office and U.S. Senator Paul S. Sarbanes (D).

Fifteen young girls, dressed in beautiful traditional Polish dresses, added life to the event by dancing national folk dances.

After the memorial at the monument, attendees were invited for a meal at the Polish National Alliance building a few blocks away. During the meal two aluminum plaques were unveiled: one explaining the Katyn Massacre and another describing the monument were unveiled. These will be placed at the base of the monument to explain its significance to passers-by.

During the meal, members of the National Katyn Memorial Foundation spoke on the importance of remembering the Katyn Massacre and spreading awareness so that such a tragedy never occurs again.

The bodies of 20,000 Polish officers were thrown into mass graves, in Russia's Katyn Forest and nearby areas.

The Massacre
To fully understand the significance of the Katyn Massacre, it helps to look back to the beginning of World War II. On September 11, 1939, Nazi Germany invaded Poland from the west, an event which sparked the outbreak of the war. A couple of weeks later, the Soviet Union, at that time allied with the Nazis, invaded from the east. Sandwiched by this Soviet-Nazi alliance, Poland fought valiantly before falling to the two invaders.

The Soviets rulers terrorized Poland, sending 1.5 million citizens to Siberia, capturing 250,000 military personnel and sending over 20,000 border-guard officers to three Soviet prison camps.

These 20,000 (most of them reservists) were composed of priests, professors, judges, civil servants and others. In the words inscribed on the Katyn monument’s new plaque, “They were Poland’s leaders and thinkers, the flower of Polish intelligentsia…to hardened Communists they were class enemies and, therefore, enemies of the Soviet Union.”

After months of interrogations and attempted indoctrination, they were put on trains under the false impression that they were being returned to Poland. From the trains, they were transferred to prison buses which drove them into remote areas of the Russian forest, where they were bound, shot in the back of the head and thrown into mass graves.

In 1941, Nazi Germany turned against its Communist ally and invaded the Soviet Union. Subsequently, the Soviet Union attempted to blame the Katyn Massacre on the Germans.

The Soviet Union only admitted guilt in 1989 after the fall of the Iron Curtain.

The body of a Polish officer pulled from a mass grave in Katyn.

Almost Worse Than Genocide
During the memorial, one young man said: “The massacre at Katyn was a crime that was almost worse than genocide. Rather than trying to exterminate all the Polish, they tried to destroy their cultural and intellectual elite, thus facilitating the imposition of an anti-natural lifestyle that is at the core of communist ideology.”

His point calls to mind a fact that after the fall of the Iron Curtain is not popular to vocalize. Communism is a parasitic evil that saps the life blood from the civilizations upon which it preys. The history of communism in Cambodia, Russia and China demonstrate the extent of this truth.

Unfortunately, the world has never publicly acknowledged this evil. There was never a Nuremberg trial to call the perpetrators of Communism to task. Therefore, it is important that events like this memorial take place.

When memorials are forgotten, history threatens to repeat itself. Is this happening today? Far from dying, Communism continues to live. A large part of the world still lives under its yoke and Russian President Vladimir Putin continues to lament the fall of the Soviet Empire.2

This is incomprehensible. Communism should not be lamented, but publicly repudiated as one of the greatest errors of modern history. Only then will its rebound be certainly averted.

This is the true value of the Katyn Memorial in Baltimore. As the event’s organizers stated, by spreading awareness of these tragedies, the risk of their recurring is lessened. Therefore, the victims of Katyn must not be forgotten. Their remembrance strengthens the will to resist and neutralizes Communism’s desire to kill that will in individuals and nations.

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1. Whittaker Chambers, Witness (Regenery Gateway, Washington, D.C. 1980) p. 21.
2. http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2005/04/26/
in_remarks_putin_laments_soviet_fall/

Remembering Katyn

Brian Crozier

In Soviet documents recently obtained by the Hoover Institution, the details of one of the bloodiest crimes of Stalin's reign of terror have come to light.

For those who lived through World War II, and for many who did not, the Katyn Massacre carries a sinister resonance. The most notorious of Stalin's wartime atrocities, the massacre was falsely attributed to Hitler through a scarcely credible but widely believed piece of Soviet disinformation.

In April 1940, nearly twenty-two thousand Polish prisoners were rounded up, transported to Katyn and various other sites, and executed. They included army officers, civil servants, landowners, policemen, ordinary soldiers, and prison officers. They were lined up, made to dig their own mass graves, and shot in the back of the neck. The victims were never tried or presented with any charges. The executions were ordered personally by Stalin in a memorandum dated March 5, 1940, to Lavrenti Beria, the head of the NKVD (predecessor of the KGB). Per Stalin's instructions, the prisoners were to receive the "supreme measure of punishment—shooting."

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The full facts became widely accessible to researchers with the acquisition of millions of sheets of Soviet secret documents by the Hoover Institution, known as Fond 89. Many of these documents were made available to me while I was at work on The Rise and Fall of the Soviet Empire. The full story is worth telling.

The mass grave in Katyn Forest was discovered by the occupying Nazi forces in 1943. The disinterment of more than four thousand corpses was an unexpected gift to Goebbels's propaganda machine, which broadcast the story to the outside world—to the embarrassment not only of Stalin but of his wartime allies Roosevelt and Churchill. Roosevelt dismissed the Nazi claims as "German propaganda and a German plot." Churchill was less explicit: "The less said about that the better."

There the matter lay—until March 3, 1959, when Aleksandr Shelepin, then head of the KGB, gave full details in a secret memo to Krushchev of the numbers executed. The total was 21,857 killed:

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A curious but related episode deserves notice. In 1972, a private group in London resolved to build a monument to the victims of Katyn. The original plan was to place the monument in Kensington, one of London's best-known tourist areas. At first, the Council of the Borough of Kensington and Chelsea gave permission for the plan to go ahead. Permission was withdrawn, however, under pressure from the Foreign Office.

It is now known, through the Hoover Institution's Soviet archives, that the Foreign Office pressure was itself the outcome of pressure from Moscow. There was an exchange of telegrams on September 7, 1972, between the Soviet Politburo and the Soviet ambassador in London. The Kremlin's message started as follows:

Reactionary circles in England are again undertaking attempts for anti-Soviet purposes to stir up the so-called "Katyn Affair." To this end the campaign to collect funds for the construction of a "Memorial to the Victims of Katyn" in London is being made use of.

In his reply, the Soviet ambassador stated that the attention of the British government had already been drawn to attempts to whip up an anti-Soviet campaign based on "the inventions—long ago exposed—of the Goebbels propaganda machine concerning the so-called 'Katyn affair.'"


Stalin's orders were unambiguous. The Polish prisoners were to receive the "supreme measure of punishment—shooting."

On September 8 the Politburo drafted a further statement, which contained the following passage:

The above-mentioned anti-Soviet campaign cannot but arouse justified feelings of profound indignation in the Soviet Union, whose people made enormous sacrifices for the sake of saving Europe from fascist enslavement.

Foreign Office pressure on the borough resulted and permission was withdrawn. Four years later—in 1976—the Katyn memorial was in fact built, in the cemetery at Gunnersbury on the outskirts of London. The project was supervised by the National Association for Freedom (later, the Freedom Association). Presumably under pressure from the Foreign Office, the British Defense Ministry forbade former members of the British armed forces to don their uniforms for the launching ceremony. This negative order was ignored by several ex-servicemen, without further consequences.

On April 13, 1990, the Soviet authorities at last admitted responsibility for the massacres at Katyn and elsewhere, although the figure cited in the relevant statement—"around 15,000"—fell short of the real total by more than 6,000. The admission came in a statement by the Tass news agency, with the personal authority of then Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. The statement referred to only three of the prison camps involved: Smolensk, Voroshilovgrad, and Kalinin. It claimed that the authorities had knowledge of the killings through "recently discovered documents." "Direct responsibility for the crime" was ascribed to Beria. The statement ended "The Soviet side, expressing profound regret over the Katyn tragedy, declares that this was one of the gravest crimes of Stalinism."

At a meeting in Moscow that day, Gorbachev presented Polish president General Wojciech Jaruzelski with copies of the NKVD's lists of names of Polish internees in the three camps mentioned. The Polish government issued a statement declaring that the question of responsibility for the massacre had "weighed particularly painfully" on Polish-Soviet relations and that the "long-awaited" Soviet admission made possible a relationship based on "partnership and true friendship." The statement went on: "Reconciliation can only be built on truth." It is surely fair to add that the Tass statement—although useful for relations between the ailing Soviet Union and its Polish satellite—was true but not the whole truth. Only three of the localities involved were named, and the total given fell short of the true figure.


In 1990, fifty years after the fact, the Kremlin finally admitted Soviet complicity in the killings in the Katyn Forest.

The Polish statement was striking not only for its content but because it had been drafted under the authority of Jaruzelski—a communist leader installed under Soviet protection. In September of that year, he was forced to resign and in December he was replaced as president by the elected anticommunist leader Lech Walesa.

Postscript

In his 1959 memo to Krushchev, KGB head Shelepin noted that Soviet propaganda efforts to blame the Katyn massacre on the Germans had "taken firm root in international public opinion." To keep the truth from coming out, Shelepin recommended that all records pertaining to the murdered Poles be destroyed. In other words, "We did it, but the world believes the Germans did. Therefore, leave the story as its stands." Thankfully, the documents were not destroyed and we now know the truth about Katyn.

Uncovering the Past: Supplementary material from the Hoover Institution Archives.

151 posted on 04/29/2005 9:46:31 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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152 posted on 04/29/2005 9:47:30 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: snippy_about_it; struwwelpeter

Timely and painful post. May should be the time for mourning in Russia, not ugly Soviet-nostalgia triumphalism.


153 posted on 04/30/2005 10:42:05 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Coleus

Thanks for remembering our Foxhole thread on Katyn.


154 posted on 05/01/2005 8:00:41 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: annalex

Thank you. Katyn was a tough thread to put together.


155 posted on 05/01/2005 8:03:00 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: annalex
From Vladimir Bukovskiy, Secrets of the Central Committee:
...in a lawful society, even petty offenses are subject to investigation, judgment, and punishment, and serious offenses all the more so. War crimes? The embers in Bosnia had not yet cooled before an international tribunal was established to look into the atrocities committed in that conflict.

Only the USSR has been given a special dispensation. What happened there was a catastrophe that affected practically every country in the world, wasted hundreds of billions of dollars, took scores of millions of lives, and nearly brought about global destruction, and yet no one, no one, has been brought to account. Communism has collapsed, but the man (for example) who was in charge of executing thousands of captive Polish officers in the Katyn forest during World War II is in Moscow, living out his years on a pension.


156 posted on 05/01/2005 10:04:04 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: vox_PL

Thanks vox_PL. Very moving pictures.


160 posted on 02/15/2006 6:30:29 PM PST by SAMWolf (In some cultures what I do would be considered normal.)
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