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To: rabscuttle385

The problem with this brand of “libertarianism” is that it is simply a license to be a drug induced burden on society-meaning you play, we pay.

We curentlyhave enough of a burden due to such “legal” behaviors-thousands of alcohol related fatalities on the roads each year, more boating and other machinery realted “operating under the influence” casualities. Thusands of drug related deaths due to overdose and crime.

Alcohol is legal, but much of the behavior it involves is less than responsible, let alone legal and moral.

Legalizing (and taxing) these drugs (including alcohol) is not the answer. The answer lies in education and making its use so much less rewarding than it currently is.


5 posted on 04/04/2010 7:02:34 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally korrect!))
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To: Manly Warrior

Personally I fail to see why we continue to call it a drug war. Its really all about access for all products and “services”.


7 posted on 04/04/2010 7:05:18 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Manly Warrior
The problem with this brand of “libertarianism” is that it is simply a license to be a drug induced burden on society-meaning you play, we pay. We curentlyhave enough of a burden due to such “legal” behaviors-thousands of alcohol related fatalities on the roads each year, more boating and other machinery realted “operating under the influence” casualities. Thusands of drug related deaths due to overdose and crime. Alcohol is legal, but much of the behavior it involves is less than responsible, let alone legal and moral. Legalizing (and taxing) these drugs (including alcohol) is not the answer. The answer lies in education and making its use so much less rewarding than it currently is.

I think your whole post boils down to one thing, this Country has lost the capacity to hold an INDIVIDUAL personally accountable. These days, its always someone or something else's fault.

9 posted on 04/04/2010 7:05:49 AM PDT by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: Manly Warrior
The problem with this brand of “libertarianism” is that it is simply a license to be a drug induced burden on society-meaning you play, we pay.

The problem with your argument is the implicit assumption that everyone who consumes alcohol or imbibes another substance must be causing harm to society, an assumption that is NOT true.

We curentlyhave enough of a burden due to such “legal” behaviors-thousands of alcohol related fatalities on the roads each year, more boating and other machinery realted “operating under the influence” casualities. Thusands of drug related deaths due to overdose and crime.

Then punish people for the crimes they have committed.

Legalizing (and taxing) these drugs (including alcohol) is not the answer. The answer lies in education and making its use so much less rewarding than it currently is.

Any government that can tell you what you can and can't consume can also make decisions for you with regard to your health care.

12 posted on 04/04/2010 7:08:54 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Manly Warrior
The problem with this brand of “libertarianism” is that it is simply a license to be a drug induced burden on society-meaning you play, we pay.

I'm a libertarian and disagree. This is part of the consistency of libertarianism: people should be made to live with the consequences of their bad decisions. Abuse drugs all you want, but don't come to me (through the governement) to bail you out.

15 posted on 04/04/2010 7:19:39 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: Manly Warrior

do you favor banning liquor?


38 posted on 04/04/2010 7:38:49 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Manly Warrior
I agree with the writer but I also agree with your counter argument. Why does anyone have two DUI's?( Driving inder infuence?)1 infraction and you loose your license. Why does anyone get public assitance while under the influence. Drug tests for every recepeint of government largesse and if your dirty even with alcohol, you are cut off.

Freedom and liberty do include the right to take drugs, but not at my expense of freedon having to pay my hard earned and clean life benefits in taxes to pay for your epic failure of drug addict choices.

59 posted on 04/04/2010 7:48:36 AM PDT by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: Manly Warrior
Legalizing (and taxing) these drugs (including alcohol) is not the answer. The answer lies in education and making its use so much less rewarding than it currently is.

I agree with the education part but the drug war has to go. The grief it causes is vastly greater than any drug problem could cause.

62 posted on 04/04/2010 7:50:41 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Manly Warrior

well how is that working out?


87 posted on 04/04/2010 8:10:54 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Manly Warrior
Rasmussen has the marijuana legalization measure in California ahead 49%-38%. Suppose it passes.

Do you support CA's prerogative under the Tenth Amendment to enact such a program? Or do you think fedgov should have legitimate authority under the Commerce Clause to shut it down?

110 posted on 04/04/2010 8:41:05 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Manly Warrior
The problem with this brand of “libertarianism” is that it is simply a license to be a drug induced burden on society-meaning you play, we pay.

That is a false statement based on no facts at all.

First, they are separate issues, fix the entitlement programs, don't steal liberty from citizens.

But if you are upset at the burden to society from entitlements, then stop fighting to preserve the status quo!

It is your WoD that has the burden to society as you say...and even then you are wrong for there are a great deal of high performing users and even addicts in society that do not burden society at all.

Rush Limbaugh's only burden to society on his drug abuse was the time it took in silly ass court cases.

146 posted on 04/04/2010 9:34:23 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.)
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To: Manly Warrior
if education is the answer, why make it illegal?


162 posted on 04/04/2010 10:23:07 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Manly Warrior
Legalizing (and taxing) these drugs (including alcohol) is not the answer. The answer lies in education and making its use so much less rewarding than it currently is.

Oh, absolutely. Let's just keep on with our current policy, education and making making its use less rewarding having worked out so well over so many years. That is a an ignorant statement; Doing something that doesn't work, over and over again, hoping for a different result, is the mark of a stupid person. You can write, even if you end a sentence with a verb, so I'll give you that you are not stupid. So please rethink your position on this. Do you have another idea that just... might.... possibly.... have some chance of working? Our war on drugs has NOT helped out country in any way, however it does support a vast bureaucracy intent on taking out liberties. Is that a goal you can support?

222 posted on 04/04/2010 6:18:31 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: Manly Warrior

NO, the answer lies in getting rid of the welfare state. The only reason govt steps in legitimately, is they foot the bill. There is not too much freedom, but too much govt.


277 posted on 04/05/2010 11:10:02 AM PDT by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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