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[A CA Guy]

We are in places where there are and were havens that either supported terrorist blowing themselves up in Israel for $25,000 a pop or there are drones going over areas where there are terrorist that have and will terrorize Americans or our allies.

Ron Paul can be an idiot IMO.

[frogjerk]

So I guess free trade with Nazi Germany would have been fine with old Ron. Who are we to impose our will on other nations?

[raptor29]

Hey Ron, if the United States had engaged in 30 years of violent terrorism against China or Canada, or whoever else was lobbing those drone bombs on us, then I would understand that this is part of the deal, that we asked for it, and now we have to deal with it. Screw the Arabs, screw the muslims, they can all go to hell. Bomb the hell out of them, that’s all they understand.

[Frenchtown Dan]

Huh ???

We buy a lot of oil from countries that hate our guts.
How does trade promote allies ?

[frogjerk]

If our government really wanted to promote freedom, Americans would be free to travel and trade with whoever they wished.

Is Syria, North Korea and Iran OK to trade with then, Ron?

[djsherin]

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[dirtboy]

What if tomorrow morning you woke up to headlines that yet another Chinese drone bombing on US soil killed several dozen ranchers in a rural community while they were sleeping?

RuPaul in top moral equivalence form. Last I checked, we do not have terrorists based in our territory that travel over to China to kill their soldiers.

[z3n]

I have a difficult time disagreeing with this reasoning, and I enjoyed the metaphor, but I can't fully sign on to it.
If the message can be made clear and repeated often that Pakistan should not harbor terrorist and political enemies, then it changes the context... or to go with the metaphor, if Americans were made aware that the drones were coming from Canada because some ranchers in South Dakota were harboring international political figures, I think that while the americans would not become sympathetic to the chinese, they would call into question our own actions.

[Kartographer]

Does any rational person really believe that if tomorrow the United States pulled completely back from the world, withdraw all troops back to our borders. Completely stopped any international interaction that the Islamic Terrorist would give up and leave us alone for all time? They hate us simple because we exist, they hate us for our freedoms, they hate us for our beliefs, they hate us because their lives would be meaningless without someone to HATE!

[GraceG]

Dear Mr. Paul,

Please focus on fiscal policy and the federal Reserve and STFU on foreign policy matters.

Sincerely,
GraceG

[murphE]

Voice of reason bump.

[Big_Harry]

I am not advocating for Ron Paul, but I think that he is right in that our actions do not pass Constitutional inspection. Unless we are operating in a war declared by congress the action is unconstitutional.

"Article 1:Section. 8. Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; Clause 2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States; Clause 3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes; Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States; Clause 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures; Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States; Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads; Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries; Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court; Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations; Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy; Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces; Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

Right now we need to stop pillorying our own fellow Conservatives if they are in line with the Constitution but out of step with our individual beliefs. To paraphrase an apt biblical saying; "if they are not against us, they are for us." This includes Ron Paul.

[camp_steveo]

There are too many misconceptions about Afghanistan and Pakistan.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/obamaswar/

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[Little Ray]

This is why I will never consider voting for Ron Paul and consider the folks who support him loonies. Same for Libtards. They don’t seem to get it. This isn’t a law enforcement situation. Its a war.

[BlackElk]

We need to stop bribing and considerably step up the bombing. If Red China were to send drones here to kill American citizens, we would need to respond in several ways: (1) repudiate all public debt to the Red Chinese; (2) seize all Red Chinese assets in the US; 3) Make any Red Chinese navy or air force and the bulk of the People's Liberation Army a radioactive memory; 4) Give the Chicoms 24 hours to unconditionally surrender or see Beijing removed from the map except as a radioactive ash heap; 5) Withdraw from any international agreements involving the Chicoms; 6) Remove the UN from the US and vice versa. Of course, none of those are likely until the end of the Obammunist regime on January 21, 2113.