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We Need Sunlight to Disinfect the Legislative Process! [Ron Paul]
U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, 14th District ^ | 2009-08-24

Posted on 08/24/2009 11:49:13 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

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1 posted on 08/24/2009 11:49:14 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: djsherin; bamahead
It should be unconscionable for legislators to vote in favor of legislation they have not had the opportunity to read. This is why I have re-introduced the Sunlight Rule, H.Res 216. The Sunlight Rule prohibits any piece of legislation from being brought before the House of Representatives unless it has been available to read for at least 10 days.

Heads up!

2 posted on 08/24/2009 11:49:49 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Bills should be clean and no longer than 50 pages.


3 posted on 08/24/2009 11:51:25 PM PDT by elizabethgrace ("It is better to approximately right than precisely wrong." – Fortune Magazine, 1994)
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To: rabscuttle385

“The Sunlight Rule prohibits any piece of legislation from being brought before the House of Representatives unless it has been available to read for at least 10 days.”

And yet AGAIN, we discover that our darkest fears Pale into insignificance, at the Reality, that this Bill is even NEEDED.

Thank you Dr Paul.


4 posted on 08/25/2009 12:01:45 AM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: To-Whose-Benefit?

We already have too many bills. More are not needed. We need to reapeal 90% of the bills and acts.


5 posted on 08/25/2009 12:19:12 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: elizabethgrace

“Bills should be clean and no longer than 50 pages.”

I couldn’t agree more. They pass incomprehensible 1000 page long bills and complain about “disinformation” being spread. The bills are written in a manner that they can distort their intent in order to get it passed and then implement their socialist schemes.

Judge Learned Hand wrote about the income tax code “In my own case the words of such an act as the Income Tax… merely dance before my eyes in a meaningless procession: cross-reference to cross-reference, exception upon exception — couched in abstract terms that offer [me] no handle to seize hold of [and that] leave in my mind only a confused sense of some vitally important, but successfully concealed, purport, which it is my duty to extract, but which is within my power, if at all, only after the most inordinate expenditure of time. I know that these monsters are the result of fabulous industry and ingenuity, plugging up this hole and casting out that net, against all possible evasion; yet at times I cannot help recalling a saying of William James about certain passages of Hegel: that they were no doubt written with a passion of rationality; but that one cannot help wondering whether to the reader they have any significance save that the words are strung together with syntactical correctness.” Change a few words and this would apply to Obamacare, Tax and cap, Stimulas and whatever is coming next.


6 posted on 08/25/2009 12:27:17 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: screaminsunshine

Agreed! 100% However, ..... We HAVE This Mountain of POS Legislation enacted without the enactors even READING the Damn things first.

The most Vital bill we DO need, is one requiring that for Every new law Congress wants, Congress must First Get Rid of 6 Existing Laws.


7 posted on 08/25/2009 12:40:45 AM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: rabscuttle385; djsherin; bamahead; murphE; Extremely Extreme Extremist; Captain Kirk; Gondring; ...

Ping


8 posted on 08/25/2009 12:49:38 AM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: rabscuttle385

The Congress, who seems so insistent on insuring that all contracts written anymore between consumers and sellers be written in a plain language understandable at a sixth grade reading level, (so the average American receiving a public high school diploma can understand them), should also be required to write all laws so they can be understood at a third grade reading level.
This will insure most members of Congress can understand the bills, without the necessity of having two lawyers reading them.


9 posted on 08/25/2009 2:45:38 AM PDT by pineybill (`)
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To: rabscuttle385; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ..
It should be unconscionable for legislators to vote in favor of legislation they have not had the opportunity to read. This is why I have re-introduced the Sunlight Rule, H.Res 216. The Sunlight Rule prohibits any piece of legislation from being brought before the House of Representatives unless it has been available to read for at least 10 days.

OUTSTANDING! Pelosi won't let it get near the floor though is my guess...her party depends on ignorance to succeed.



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10 posted on 08/25/2009 5:22:35 AM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: rabscuttle385

We are in a crisis. We must act immediately.

This is being reactionary. Virtually all of today's politicians are reactionaries. They thrive on fear and crisis, and soooo many Americans, now a majority, swallow it - the crisis of course being developed by the Media, which loves it.

Deeper thought and long term concern, e.g. the US Constitution, is passe, and the shallow egocentricity of juvenilism prevails, e.g. Barack Obama.

I think Toynbee and certainly some other astute historians explained this.

Ron Paul incidentally is one of the few legitimate thinkers in US politics; that is why he gets flamed, even on FR.

11 posted on 08/25/2009 6:18:17 AM PDT by jnsun (The LEFT: The need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer)
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Thank you for your reply and the quote from Judge Hand. It is most appropriate!

All bills should be written in language that a citizen with a high school education can easily understand.

12 posted on 08/25/2009 6:23:11 AM PDT by elizabethgrace ("It is better to approximately right than precisely wrong." – Fortune Magazine, 1994)
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Unbelievable that most in Congress have law degrees and yet never seemed to have learned the first thing about "fiduciary responsibilities". We actually have to get a bill passed to make them READ what they vote on, and tell us about it before they pass it.

But once again, Ron Paul to the rescue with some common sense!

13 posted on 08/25/2009 6:42:07 AM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: rabscuttle385

Sunlight? Try UV with a chaser of chlorine.


14 posted on 08/25/2009 6:47:09 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Bokababe
But once again, Ron Paul to the rescue with some common sense!

Maybe one day, the freepers, who refer to him as a nut, will recognize they are just short bus Republicans trying to catch up with the conservatives in the party?

15 posted on 08/25/2009 11:15:27 AM PDT by Nephi ( Support Fascism: Buy GE, GM and Chrysler products!)
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Don’t hold your breath waiting for THAT to happen!


16 posted on 08/25/2009 1:05:58 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: To-Whose-Benefit?

...POS legislation from POS government, POS’s in the Congress and WH. Problem is this SH!T has been accumulating for too long...

...Time to go to DC, with shovels and plundgers, and flush the turds into the Potomic...


17 posted on 08/25/2009 8:33:44 PM PDT by gargoyle (...My thoughts are not seditious, or treasonous, they're revolutionary...)
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To: Nephi; dcwusmc
Maybe one day, the freepers, who refer to him as a nut, will recognize they are just short bus Republicans trying to catch up with the conservatives in the party?

Actually, I think that Ron Paul is the "conscience" of the Republican Party, and many if not most Republicans would like to ignore that conscience because it's inconvenient.

But that's not why I like Ron Paul. It's because he's a great civics teacher. He doesn't tell you what to think, but rather expects you to do your homework.

18 posted on 08/25/2009 8:41:40 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: elizabethgrace

No kidding...and think of the carbon footprint that these massive 1,000 + page bills leave once they get fired off on the Xerox machine!


19 posted on 08/26/2009 4:46:27 AM PDT by liberty75
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To: Nephi

Paul has WELL established himself as a nut. However he has moments of clarity, such as this one. Credit where credit is due and all that.


20 posted on 08/26/2009 4:49:23 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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