'Fight them over there vs. over here' a false choice

The Washington Times ^ | 2009-07-01 | U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, 14th District

[usmcobra]

Your logic is flawed, I never said that 911 was an attack allowed to happen by the Bush Administration as would the weakest truther.

What I said was every time we fought them here we lost badly.

Learn the difference,

[Gondring]

What I said was every time we fought them here we lost badly.

And you used 9/11 as support, as if we had "fought them here"... which must mean that you believe Desert Shield/Desert Storm were "fought here"...

...making you a "truther" about the early 90s deployment/action being coooked up in Hollywood or something. As for me, I believe that it took place in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, and other assisting nations.

[Deb]

What a brilliant military mind you do possess. The fact that the Saudi king has been our greatest ally against Communism for the past 60 years, is a small detail that shouldn't have any influence on your well thought-out strategy. And since every real student of the war on terror knows bin Laden hates the Royal family and Saudi Arabia as much as he hates America, you're likely to head off to battle alone, with your paper sword and lollipops.

If you read anything about bin Laden you'd know he deliberately used Saudis on 9/11 to provoke hatred between his two greatest enemies. And you ate it up with a spoon. Sucker.

[usmcobra]

Boy, you sure have your head up your rectum.

Over here is on our shores not in Saudi Arabia or Kuwait.

As a matter of fact I don’t ever think you know what the hell you are talking about.

Name for me one battle that took place inside the borders of the United States during Desert Storm or Shield?

Come on genius name one...

[randomhero97]

Who is the number one financier of terrorism worldwide? What is most militant form of Islam? Who finances the building of mosques nation wide in the US? What Middle Eastern country is the most intolerent to other religions?

The Saudis are going to do what's best for the Saudis. You are abolutely insane if you think they are our ally just to be our ally.

Does your "real student" of the war on terror studies include Google and various other search engines? Please just stop talking about stuff you have absolutely no idea about.

[randomhero97]

he hates America,

He hates us because of our freedoms, right? What a f**king joke.

He "hates" us because we won't let them rot in the desert with their thirteenth century bs. That would be easier if we could have our own domestic oil supply. It's a national security priority IMO.

[ejonesie22]

That is the one fact that makes his ideas in this area untenable.

He is right, by the strategic standards present in the age of sail...

[ejonesie22]

They do bring out an interesting sort.

I agree with them in many ways, but reality has it's own demands...

For instance when we get a fence built all the way around the nation (I guess screw Alaska and Hawaii) that stops any one getting in (and still lets me go deep sea fishing) as well as stop incoming missiles 100% then I am all for Paul's ideas.

As long as everyone in the USA can spend enough to make up for our lost international sales as to keep manufacturing going (shocking, but we do sell things overseas)...

[ejonesie22]

Exactly. Little do folks realize how much help the Saudis have been in all of this, as well as before.

The have risked the stability of their country to help us.

[Gondring]

You are the one claiming we fought them here, not I.

I say we didn’t do the “fight them over here” option.

[usmcobra]

Please point out where I said we fought them over here prior to 911 or apologise for being a cretin.

Your choice.....

[Gondring]

False dichotomy.

[ExGeeEye]

"We tried fighting them over here, it ended badly on September 11, 2001." So you're one of those "truthers" who believes that Desert Shield/Desert Storm were created on a Hollywood soundstage?

I didn't get that from usmcobra's remark. In fact, as a standalone (without going back to reread his entire post) I'm inclined to agree with him. We (collectively; the government) treated terrorism on our territory (including embassies and vessels) as a law enforcement problem, to be dealt with on our soil and in our courts. Bad idea, as 9/11 showed us-- yes, that policy ended badly.

On the other hand, DS/DS was against a nation's army, not a band of terrorists, fought on their territory (and the territory they had invaded and annexed).

[Gondring]

It might be a nice feeling to separate the two into different classifications, but that doesn’t mean everyone in the world is going to.

Now, usmcobra can pretend the Wahhabists don’t exist, but that’s sticking his head in the sand—which is another part of what led to 9/11. The fact is, DS/DS was fought “pver there” and was what led OBL to make 9/11 the day it became...so we cannot claim that we were fighting just here.

[usmcobra]

Where the hell do you get these insane allegations from?

First you claim that I am a truther, now you are claiming that I am pretending that Wahhabist don’t exist and say as well that I am claiming that we were just fighting here.

Apologise now or my next post will be to have your disgusting and still unproven accusations removed from this sight.

[ExGeeEye]

They.

Are.

Separate.

And.

Distinct.

The inability of others to see reality does not indicate an error in reality.

[usmcobra]

Frankly I think this person is trying to discredit what I say by labelling me a truther, despite the fact truthers are in league and in sync with Code Pink, International Answer, and other left wing groups I have personally demonstrated against.

[Deb]

Did you see Drudge today? The Saudis have said they will ignore Israeli planes that fly thru their air space to attack Iran. Incredible.

[ejonesie22]

Not surprising, indeed imminently logical.

The Saudis walk a tight rope between the modern world and the barbarity of fundamental Islam

Iran with nukes pushes down a wee bit TOO much on the balancing pole...

Of course they will have internal backlash, but that is what oil money is for...

[elkfersupper]

I would prefer to fight them over here rather than put up with what happens at the airport and everything associated with the Patriot Act, the Bank Secrecy Act, anything engaged in by the Dept. of Homeland Security, etc., etc.