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Posted on 12/08/2008 11:20:28 AM PST by SecAmndmt
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I heard some guy saying that if we didn’t have guns, we wouldn’t have the hundreds of accidental shootings and killing that happen to children and that those deaths out weigh the supposed (his words) benefits of an armed society. He failed to realize how many criminal attacks are stopped by the fact that someone produces a gun. It’s a huge deterrent and rarely does the gun need to actually be fired for the crime to be stopped.
Besides, there’s this thing called the 2nd Amendment.
Why how crazy. What a nut! Anyone who posts anything by Ron Paul should be banned for life < /sarcasm> (that is sarcasm for me, but not for a lot of so-called "conservative " freepers who stated those sentiments repeatedly in the last year or so.
I know, most of these so call small government didn’t support the only small government candidate. In fact, they called him crazy. I makes me think we will never get small government.
It certainly seems like we will never get limited government especially with the Hamiltonian worship I’ve seen recently. But it’ll be difficult to bash Paul on this subject. But I’ll bet someone will find a way...
I know that the book Freakonomics was not high on most Conservatives' reading list. However, there was example in Freakonomics on how statistics get misused and it referred to children and "having a gun in the house".
A parent refused to allow her child to visit one of her friends, because the friend's parents kept a gun in the house. The authors pointed out that the chances of their child or any child getting harmed by a parent's gun, were infinitesimally small. What the parent should have been asking about concerning the safety of her child, was whether or not the friend had a swimming pool at their house. Because the accidental child death rate from swimming pools was many times multiple of that from having a gun in the house!
As usual Ron Paul speaks the truth.
And a swimming pool can’t save your life.
People will unfortunately always manipulate statistics but at the end of the day we have the Constitution on our side... although it’s rapidly becoming a dead letter. I’m still waiting for the day when a politician refuses to uphold the Constitution overtly rather than saying he will but not really doing it.
I grew up in a house filled with loaded guns and weapons of all kinds - my dad was a state policeman. Not once did any of his 3 kids play with them. My dad taught firearm safety and scared the hell out of us in 2 ways - 1) showing what a 45 mag can do, and 2) promising to beat the hell out of us if we messed with them. But any time we wanted, he was always willing to take us out shooting under his supervision. That took the mystery out of guns and allowed him to keep them ready to fire when needed.
I couldn’t back RP because of some of his leanings, especially in the WoT, but on 2nd Amendment issues, he has never wavered in support of law-abiding gunowners.
We’ve been at war in Iraq for nearly 6 years.
Did Congress ever declare war as it should have?
BTTT
Those affiliated with the pediatric practice tell me they won’t own guns because of the accident statistics and because they have seen gunshot wounds in the ER. I always ask if car accident statistics and car accident victims make them question the wisdom of owning a car.
Conservatives are foolish to defend gun ownership using statistics or benefits to society. Those arguments have merits, but I think that sometimes we end up implicitly conceding that guns should not be possessed privately if the statistics are not in our favor.
It is far better to defend gun ownership on principle and as a matter of foundational law.
PAUL’S A KOOK! THAT MEANS 9/11 TRUTHERS AND ANTI-WAR PEACENIKS WILL HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS!
If the airlines HAD been armed instead of being under federal regulations that prohibited airline staff from being armed, 9/11 would have never happened.
Iraq is already a moot point because the deal was in the works for the troops to come home shortly regardless who would have been elected president.
The Republican Party completely screwed the pooch on Ron Paul and evidence exists that many of his supporters stayed home and swung the election to Obama.
“But it’ll be difficult to bash Paul on this subject. But I’ll bet someone will find a way...”
As you know, for devoted anti-RP folks, absolutely no justification is needed to bash RP.
If needed, some NRA “compromise” gun control bill which RP voted against can be brought up.
Never mind that the incredibly successful (/s) gun control compromise strategy supported by the NRA and Republicans has done nothing but move the Republic further down the road to disarmament.
I agree. I like to throw in both when I’m talking about gun control. And if principle and statistics fail (which they haven’t so far), I can always throw the Constitution into the argument (which I do anyway). Although I suppose principle and the Constitution are hard to keep separate.
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