Ron Paul, Rudy Giuliani and Double Standards

TheAtlantic.com ^ | 13 Nov 2007 10:56 am | Andrew Sullivan

[George W. Bush]

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There are plenty of reasons to be perturbed when loons and hate-mongers support a candidacy. But this game of guilt-by-association can be played endlessly. I tend to place greater emphasis on loons and hate-mongers that candidates actively seek out. Pat Robertson is a loon and an anti-Semite and a vicious homophobe who blamed Americans for 9/11. Giuliani didn't receive some unsolicited money from him; he actually stood on a platform and embraced him. Why one standard for Paul and another for Giuliani? If Obama embraced Louis Farrakhan as a supporter, you think Goldfarb and Kirchick would be silent? They'd have a cow because it's unthinkable. But naked bigotry is more than thinkable in today's GOP: it's integral to it. What's the difference between Farrakhan and Robertson? I can't see any. Maybe Goldfarb and Kirchick can spell it out.

Giuliani also promoted and endorsed a seriously mobbed up man to be head of the DHS; he fully embraces and employs a priest credibly accused of sex abuse of a minor (and refuses to distance himself from him); and actively endorses torture as a foreign policy weapon. Jamie Kirchick actually supports Giuliani for president - but is hyper-ventilating about a $500 check that Paul hasn't even decided what to do with! There you have the massive double-standards on the neocon right.

Here's an idea: when Giuliani disowns his abusing priest, his mafia-consigliere and his anti-Semitic nutcase, Ron Paul should send back the $500. Deal?

[George W. Bush]

jmc813 pinged you guys cause he needs all the help he could get.

For what exactly? It seems to me there are very few votes still undecided here at FR. Nearly everyone has their picks already, depending on how the race unfolds. Most of these threads are just preaching to the faithful and provide the opportunity for sniping by supporters of other candidates, generally resulting in a lot of bitter exchanges, a few suspensions/bans, and very few minds are changed.

Even a month or so back, you still saw a number of undecideds here. Now, virtually none. And the candidate threads are so toxic generally that only the stone-throwers visit them.

And jmc813 was doing just fine without help. He simply commented about my vote and I responded. I'm not sure how else it would make any sense for me to vote.

[George W. Bush]

Remind me to be nice to you in the future...

Not at all. But I often remind myself that unless RP is very unexpectedly strong in the first three primaries with, say, a second in IA and a NH win, it's a moot point for me.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

I posted the thread then pinged myself in post 2 so I didn't forget to respond.

I'm talking about all your prior threads, smartass.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

I don't want our troops to come home either. But unfortunately, we're in the minority. Perhaps you should take a break from FReeping 24/7 and get out in the real world, real people are concerned about the war and the billions of dollars it's costing us.

All Paul is doing is listening to the people. Where was the surge at on 09/12? Let's face it, in between terrorists getting pampered at Club Gitmo or letting our troops get smeared by the Democrats, Bush hasn't exactly taken the gloves off.

[lormand]

"All Paul is doing is listening to the people Al Qaeda, Alex Jones, Stormfront, skinheads, liberal trolls, moveon, Soros, etc."

There, I fixed it.

[darkwing104]

A lot of us agree with some things Ron Paul has to say because it's part of our belief systems. In other words we agree more than we disagree. It's the disagreements that are a real pain.

I get annoyed when freepers start resorting to name calling but telling someone in Iraq to F-off, being a vet of 22 years, just pisses me off. (I know it wasn't you) I started Freeping while stationed in Japan and posted a few times from Germany.

[darkwing104]

All Paul is doing is listening to the people.

Ross Perot model...interesting

[George W. Bush]

Chances are things will settle down after the first couple of primaries. We have to have one candidate who can stop Giuliani. Mitt hopes he can stop Fred and be the anti-Rudy. Fred hopes his standing in the national polls and his strength in the later southern states will keep him viable, especially with a SC win. Rudi will try to spike them both and keep the race uncertain, his strategy being to make sure there is no frontrunner emerging so that he can use the later states with their big delegate counts to snatch the nomination.

We have to have just one conservative candidate or Rudi will win.

[SJackson]

I'm talking about all your prior threads, smartass.

Smartass, oooooooooo..........., shaking in me boots.

Hope you don't mind if I call you dumbass, dumbass.

Did a quick search for http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;s=paul;x=100>Paul. First thread I posted was EXCLUSIVE: SPECIFIC CONTRIBUTION BY LEADING NEO-NAZI TO RON PAUL CAMPAIGN IDENTIFIED on October 25. I posted a thread today or yesterday which didn't come up, maybe one last week too, but all my prior threads, smartass is nothing but typical Ron Paul Bullsh*t, I don't post that many threads on Paul.

What pisses you off is that I post here at all, and yes, I do post on Ron Paul threads.

And I acknowledge that like true fascists, the Paul faithful don't cotton to criticism.

Don't like me posting here on FR, your buddies don't, too da*n bad (an m not w). B*tch to management, becaus your opinion is nothing to me, dumbass.

[jmc813]

too da*n bad (an m not w)

w?

[jmc813]

Anyone opposed to Paul is a Giuliani supporter.

Not anyone, just you.

[SJackson]

Anyone opposed to Paul is a Giuliani supporter. Not anyone, just you.

Of course, after all what else could I be.

You support Ron Paul, or you're a Rudy supporter.

Wahhhhh, Wahhhhh, Wahhhhh

May I be honest with you, I've posted here a lot, I've no problem with you making any accusation you want, because there are tons of posts for you to misrepresent to make your case. Include links.

But you you don't, because you can't.

You're simply another run of the mill Ron Paul spammer.

Feel free to respond, or not. I may waste the bandwith on a Paulie, they are entertaining, I may no.

And Go Ron Go!

Pass the koolaid.

Sorry, I know you really support Thompson.

IMO, if Jewhating racist scum started hopping on the Thompson campaign, he'd kick their ugly neonazi asses in a heartbeat.

You disagree, I presume, else you wouldn't be doing the Ron Paul whine.

[SJackson]

Think about it.

They're all actually Thompson or Hunter supporters.

Imagine, Willie "burn the Jews" Williams starts a Thompson or Hunter support group, or Don Black supports and links to the campaign. Willis Carto advertises Hunter and Thompson as columnists.

How would Hunter or Thompson react, should include all GOP candidates ex Paul.

I wouldn't want to be in the room.

[jmc813]

Of course, after all what else could I be. You support Ron Paul, or you're a Rudy supporter.

There are plenty of Hunter and Thompson supporters who dislike Paul here on FR. You, on the other hand, have not once in this entire thread denied being for Rudy, when most freepers do their best to distance themselves from him. And quit taking things so personal.

[George W. Bush]

What is that thing on your tagline anyway? I've been afraid to ask. LOL.

I'm hoping it's a face and not a body part(s).

[jmc813]

What is that thing on your tagline anyway?

Breasts

[SJackson]

There are plenty of Hunter and Thompson supporters who dislike Paul here on FR. You, on the other hand, have not once in this entire thread denied being for Rudy, when most freepers do their best to distance themselves from him. And quit taking things so personal.

I haven't denied being for Rudy on this thread.

Well duhhhhhhhhhhh.

I'm not for Rudy, though that's irelevant.

If this is an issue for you, so be it, you could state your case.

But you're a Paul supporter, so I understand that stating your case to non cult members requires facts, which is a problem.

BTW, your claimed support for Thompson, my guess Fred would look to supporters like this and kick their ugly neonazi asses out of his presence.

If I'm wrong, state the case.

[George W. Bush]

It’s like FR has turned into a very softcore porn site.

[jmc813]

I'm not for Rudy, though that's irelevant.

Oh. I wish you said that off the bat. My apologies for assuming so.

But you're a Paul supporter,

I support Paul on things such as the 2nd Amendment, abortion and smaller government. I disagree with him drastically on foreign policy, enough so to push me into the Thompson camp. Really, what is so twisted about my opinion on this? As far as I can tell, it's perfectly reasonable.

BTW, your claimed support for Thompson, my guess Fred would look to supporters like this and kick their ugly neonazi asses out of his presence. If I'm wrong, state the case.

Well, my wonderful great-grandmother was an Austrian Jew, so I'm certainly not a neo-nazi. In fact, a year ago I was regularly having sex with a Jewish chick.

I plan to do everything I can for the Thompson campaign (being in deep-blue dirty Jersey, I can't do as much as I'd like with the get-out-the-vote thing). I'll tell ya what, when I start formally campaigning for Thompson should he win the primary, I'll make it known to the local leaders that I admire Ron Paul's libertarian domestic stances. If they feel that we'd be better off with me not involved in the campaign, I'll complain about it here on FR.

BTW, could I possibly borrow your mid-east ping list? I found out today that I might be going to Turkey on business and I'd like to start a vanity soliciting advice for first-time visitors. I realize that Turkey's not really the mid-east, but I figure you've got people on that list that have been there.

[jmc813]

It’s like FR has turned into a very softcore porn site.

OK, f#$& this, we need a Kournakova picture...

Can not the Paultards and the Paul haters at least agree upon this?