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More Evidence That We Are Everywhere (RP supporters)
ClaireWolf.com ^ | 9/11/2007 | Claire Wolf

Posted on 09/11/2007 11:22:14 AM PDT by George W. Bush

Tuesday, September 11, 2007

MORE EVIDENCE THAT WE ARE EVERYWHERE. Yesterday the guy who bought my dead Toyota showed up at the gate with an extra piece of paperwork. Seems the state didn't believe the low purchase price we stated on the title transfer. Our Bureaucratic Masters demanded that we explain why it was "too low." They compelled us both to swear under The Usual Dire Penalties that the price we stated was genuine.

Poor dears. You know they might starve to death if they don't get their share of sales taxes on a 16-year-old heap of busted steel and aluminum. (I swore; but otherwise, my lips are sealed smile ) Anyway ...

The guy thought it was already September 11 and greeted me by asking, in a tone of utmost cynicism, "Is your flag flying today?"

A few minutes later, when he saw me writing only minimal information on the form, he grinned, said, "Woman after my own heart," and filled his share of the blanks -- or didn't fill them -- similarly.

Then, quite out of the blue, he said, "And vote for Ron Paul!" Turned out he'd known of Paul as long as I have (which is a long, long time) -- and Doug Casey and Howard Ruff and Harry Browne. It's not so much that he's a libertarian, but a dedicated gold-bug and skeptic of all things governmental.

Last thing, I went inside to fetch the Toyota's owner's manual -- and emerged with several of the Ron Paul buttons and bumper stickers I'd picked up from those other surprising Ron Paul supporters at the county fair.

We may be very quiet. But we are everywhere, we cantankerous, contrarian members of the Leave Me Alone Coalition.




08/25/2007 Entry: "Ron Paul and the county fair"

POLITICKING AT THE COUNTY FAIR. I grew up in one of California's megalopoli, where the county fair was one monstrous commercial exhibition/carnival filled with anonymous strangers. The entertainers were the Beach Boys and Wayne Newton, who performed in an auditorium-sized arena. If anybody ever entered their apple pies or their 4H lambs in that fair (and I'm sure they must have), I managed to spend days there and miss them.

So I find it a weird trip to roam around our local mini-fairgrounds -- the size of a small horse pasture -- running into people I know and congratulating them on their ribbons for gladioli, fudge brownies, quilts, and horsemanship. It's just too damn quaint for words. But nice, in a way that the mega-fair never was.

Every year, the one small barn with the commercial and community-service exhibits is laid out exactly the same. The animal-rescue group I work with managed to snag the biggest prize booth just inside the doors. Our nearest neighbor is the local drug task force, which seems to think mug shots and close-up color photos of "meth mouth" (our latest moral panic) are highly entertaining. Outdoor associations rub shoulders with church groups. Banks inveigle people to save while the Cookie Lee jewlery-party lady and a western artist ask them to spend.

Every year the Republicans and the Democrats have back-to-back booths -- out of each other's sight, but rubbing each other's butts (which is such a good metaphor for the political reality). Every year, I walk past both booths with eyes averted. But this week I chanced to look up briefly as I passed the Rs. And there was Ron Paul. Well, his picture and bio posted on the wall. Other, less-important Rs, were there, too.

Noticing a box for a presidential primary straw poll, I grabbed a ballot and a pen and put an X next to Paul's name, muttering, "There's only one candidate up there who's worth a dime."

To that point, I hadn't looked at the two women behind the table (Rule of Thumb: Never make eye contact with anybody at a political booth if you value your freedom). But when I added, " ... And it's Ron Paul," I was suddenly swooped upon.

Both women rushed from the other end of the booth. "You know who Ron Paul is?" one cried in disbelief.

When I looked up and said, "I've known that for thirty years," I finally noticed that both women were wearing "Ron Paul 2008" buttons. The one nearest me looked as if she were going to cry. She swung around to my side of the table and wrapped herself around me. Meanwhile, her companion reached under the table and emerged with handfuls of Ron Paul bumper stickers, buttons, and DVDs.

We stood there for a while and talked -- about what a good man Paul is, about how shamefully the media is ignoring him when he's got such a passionate following and is making such a hit in straw polls and online voting, how Paul is the only candidate from either party who's not a warmongering opportunist, about the illusory nature of our "strong" economy, and about how the Rs have become even a worse welfare-warfare party than the Ds -- and about how these two women were trying to staff that booth with reasonable neutrality while actually pumping hard for Paul.

Then we philosophical parted ways. Both women believed, with a passion, that their job -- and mine -- was to "take back" the Republican party. No way and no effing way, I said, never again after the screw job of 1994. They understood that and quit trying to shove an R-Party mailing-list signup at me. But I did take their buttons and stickers and pass them around to friends as I congratulated them on their prize-winning oil paintings and cala lillies. (Those poor women at the booth might not have encountered many Paul supporters, but I know plenty of 'em.)

The saddest (yet not surprising) part of the conversation at the booth was that until I wandered up, those women were having a dismal time. It wasn't just that people weren't supporting, or even recognizing, Ron Paul. I'm sure they expected that. They were discouraged by the mindlessness of the support for every other candidate.

"They come up and say, 'I'm for Fred Thompson' or 'I'm voting for Mitt Romney,'" one of the women told me. "But when you ask why, nobody has an answer. They're just names they've heard most often on TV. They're going to choose the next president of the United States without knowing anything about him."

If they were discouraged by the unthinking support for lesser candidates, they were downright scared of the people who came up to the booth to heap praise on George W. Bush, his wars and his acts of tyranny. They described glassy eyes and a complete detachment from reality -- a virtually religious belief in Bush the Son.

I know what you're talkin' about, ladies. And I wish you and Ron Paul luck. But when those are the attitudes you're up against, you're going to need a lot more than bumper stickers.



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To: George W. Bush
ROFL! You are incredibly obtuse.

And don't feel so bad about your failed life that you feel the need to make your lame little age jokes to feel better.

We all know you're older than I, but still live with the folks and work at Taco Bell.

It's OK. Taco Bell is at least gainful employment. And I'm sure you even pay taxes and everything.

But hey....if I was in high school as a very tiny baby, I must be even smarter than I thought I was.

Now, hurry up with that Burrito Supreme. I don't have all night.

:-D

21 posted on 09/11/2007 12:35:20 PM PDT by Allegra (Turning Vanity Threads Into New Socks Threads at Every Opportunity)
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To: MNJohnnie
"Anyone asked the “Dr NO” to explain his hypocrisy on Congressional Earmarks?"

Ron Paul himself has explained his actions, and I have seen it posted here many times, so I am surprised that you still don't know what he said.

IMO, Ron Paul's explaination makes way more sense than whatever your Congressman is telling you. And without even a hint of any "hypocracy", too!

Since I suspect that your reason for asking is not genuine curosity, but rather merely a way to attempt further "bashing", I am not re-posting it here, because the Paul bashers either cannot read, or don't want to.

Just in case you really want to know, you can find it.

22 posted on 09/11/2007 12:41:02 PM PDT by Designer
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To: Allegra
"You are incredibly obtuse."

Hey, now I'm hurt! That used to be my title. (Head down, kicking at the dust)

Seriesly, Alegra, you are in fine humor today.

Back in Iraq? Or here to stay?

23 posted on 09/11/2007 12:48:41 PM PDT by Designer
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To: Designer
Back in Iraq? Or here to stay?

I got back to Iraq a couple of weeks ago. Vacation was wonderful (went to the UK) and it flew by at lightning speed.

Thanks for being one of the decent ones. :-)

24 posted on 09/11/2007 12:56:20 PM PDT by Allegra (Turning Vanity Threads Into New Socks Threads at Every Opportunity)
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To: Sam's Army

Cafeteria food is radioactive slime.


25 posted on 09/11/2007 1:07:10 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: darkangel82; Sam's Army
Cafeteria food is radioactive slime.

It's Soylent Green. It's PEEEEEEOPLE!!

26 posted on 09/11/2007 1:11:51 PM PDT by Allegra (Turning Vanity Threads Into New Socks Threads at Every Opportunity)
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To: George W. Bush

27 posted on 09/11/2007 1:25:57 PM PDT by kenth
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To: Allegra
LOL!!
28 posted on 09/11/2007 1:30:17 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: wideawake

Saw him on O’Reilly and Ronnie P is one scary dude...apparently he’s never been asked the tough questions on national defense and O’Reilly to his credit did.

Liberaltarians must enjoy the sadomasochism that RP exudes.


29 posted on 09/11/2007 1:34:12 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: Allegra
No thanks necessary, dear lady.

"Vacation was wonderful (went to the UK)"

Mrs. Designer and I were there only two weeks ago!

Eldest son (former U.S. Marine, BTW) and his family moved to Stamford (East Midlands) in June. We had a wonderful time as well.

30 posted on 09/11/2007 1:42:32 PM PDT by Designer
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To: wideawake
**** him and **** Ron Paul.

Wow, such strong language. You'd make Sgt. Snorkel from Beetle Bailey blush.

31 posted on 09/11/2007 3:27:26 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Allegra
It’s six years past 911 and bin Laden is still alive. How do you know?

I seen the video.

More soldiers died in Iraq this year than last year and still there is no end in sight. You only see it that way because you apparently eagerly digest whatever the media spoonsfeeds you.

The subject came up today during the hearings. I got it unfiltered without someone force feeding it to me.

"Routing?" Routing where? And again, how do you know? You have the superior ability to call an election 14 months out?

Gut feel. Next November, if bin Laden is still alive, and we are still in Iraq while their government and "army" continue to make no progress, no one (well maybe you and me) is voting Republican. I reference Carter and the Iran hostages, 1.5 years of a bad situation not sufficiently addressed means no vote. It's been 6 years since 911 and 5 years of Iraq.

Sounds like you're a tad nostalgic for Clinton? Sorry, but your post sounded too DU-ish to just leave sitting there all alone.

Far from it, but I am sick of George Bush. I am sick of bin Laden being alive, billions and lives for Iraq, yearly federal government growth 2-3 times inflation, and a lack of being straight forward. Last week he's doing the Texas swgger in Iraq like he's cool and everything's wonderful. I have a different perspective. I don't believe a word Ambassador Ryan Crocker is saying either. Again gut feel, but I got that feel listening to him (Crocker) for two days.
32 posted on 09/11/2007 3:36:48 PM PDT by jackieaxe (I'm voting for Ron Paul in spite of the Neocon/Big Government Republican propaganda!)
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To: jackieaxe
I seen the video.

I seen the enemy.

It are us.

33 posted on 09/11/2007 7:06:02 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: George W. Bush

We zip-tied half a dozen banners over over-passes. One of the banners came partially loose. Before anyone could go to fix it — someone unknown to our MeetUp fixed it for us. :)


34 posted on 09/11/2007 7:40:47 PM PDT by John Farson (Ron Paul for president)
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To: George W. Bush
. . an old FR favorite, Claire Wolfe.

Yeah, those were the days fersure. Back when the Klintoon was in the WH FReepers were a little more independent-minded than today's crop of lackeys for their Republican administration (present company excluded, of course).

I posted several Claire Wolfe articles myself, along with some really radical columns by neo-anarchists like "Bumper" Hornberger, Dr. Walter E. Williams, Leonard Read and Milton Friedman. Well, at least some here these days would consider Milton Friedman an anarchist, since he did, after all, oppose many things the government was doing that it had no business doing. (But he did not opposed the Iraq War, even though he had reservations about its success. His wife, Rose, was against it from the git-go, however.)

Somehow, those posts weren't deleted by the moderators. And most had very favorable comments, even from a few folks we have encountered every so often on these Ron Paul threads.

So I wonder: Is everything really changed since 9/11/2001? Is black now white? Up down? On off? Freedom slavery? Conservative liberal?

If so, what is to become of "traditional conservatives" who practice and cherish American values of thrift, self-sufficiency, strong families and weak government? Are they now an endangered species, whose destiny is to submit to the very regimentation which they have worked long and hard -- throughout the Cold War -- to keep away from American shores?

When you hear "conservatives" promoting such intrusions as national ID cards, warrantless wiretaps, searches of library records (not to mention keeping Google searches around for weeks and months so government snoops can try to connect dots and dashes) -- all for the sake of "preventing another 9/11," it makes you begin to appreciate how far we've come in a short time.

Claire Wolfe will not cave for the sake of selling more books. She has her priorities straight, too, it appears. She supports Ron Paul, but not the Republican't Party, which had its chance and blew it after 1994 and is about to blow it, big time, for 2008.

I'm glad there are Republicans such as you willing to hang in there and go against the tide. However, we both know it's an uphill battle and the winners will write the history, just as they did in 1964 and again in 1972. 1972? That's right. Nixon won while his party lost, and conservatives were tossed out of leadership roles if they so much as used the term "Tricky Dick" within earshot of the PTB. Opposing Nixon was political suicide then, and I have a few dead (politically, at least) friends that could testify to that.

A reconstituted Republican Party, rising from the ashes of a defeat in 2008, could conceivably regain Congress in 2010, but only if the Democrats screw up more than the Republicans did in the past few sessions. And if the members of the RNC finally admit that a smaller federal government, limited by the Constitution, is really what we should be aiming for.

What are the chances?

35 posted on 09/11/2007 10:00:19 PM PDT by logician2u
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To: logician2u
A reconstituted Republican Party, rising from the ashes of a defeat in 2008, could conceivably regain Congress in 2010, but only if the Democrats screw up more than the Republicans did in the past few sessions. And if the members of the RNC finally admit that a smaller federal government, limited by the Constitution, is really what we should be aiming for.

The prospects are pretty dim actually. Both parties want to play national security 'gotcha' games over Iraq while conspiring to fling our borders wide open. It's disgusting.
36 posted on 09/12/2007 6:14:18 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Far better than the America-hating Truther scum deserve.


37 posted on 09/12/2007 6:36:35 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: jackieaxe
I have a different perspective. I don't believe a word Ambassador Ryan Crocker is saying either. Again gut feel, but I got that feel listening to him (Crocker) for two days.

I have a different perspective as well. One that is not clouded by the deceptive and distorted media reports. One that is unfiltered.

Our troops deserve a hell of a lot better than the crap being spewed out to the people and willingly gobbled up by people who go on "feelings."

38 posted on 09/12/2007 9:10:55 AM PDT by Allegra (Turning Vanity Threads Into New Socks Threads at Every Opportunity)
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To: MNJohnnie
Ron Paul's explanation of the earmark thing.

Do you know of a candidate who will be better on spending? I share your concern, as you can see from this thread.
39 posted on 09/13/2007 1:25:57 AM PDT by publiusF27
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