Posted on 07/16/2007 8:31:51 PM PDT by JTN
You are right about that. It speaks to your ignorance. In typical fashion, you make statements, and when called on it, you have absolutely nothing to back it up. Absolutely nothing.
Guess what - people that you don't consider to be Christians (that is, anyone whose faith or lack thereof doesn't follow in rigid lockstep with yours) can stand up and fight for their beliefs when necessary as well, and you just can't stand that, can you?
You whine and carry on about all the abuse the people you boast about having gotten banned heaped on you and your kind, but you don't mention the fact that you and/or your fellow "Christians" dished it right back out in spades. And what did these people you're so proud of having run off do? Among other things -
By the way, I'm not banned here (yet), I post at DC, and I have donated money in the past to Free Republic. If you go to the donor list, you'll see my name there. Radio Astronomer has been banned from here, he admins at DC, and his name is on the Free Republic donor list as well. So your comment about how no one who was banned from here ever gave money to Jim is just another one of your lies. But it's in the service of the Lord, so it's all good, right?
Yeah, Jim makes the rules, and if he wants to enforce them on only one side that's his right. And you can, and I'm sure you will, try and have me banned for standing up to your bullying tactics. You'll probably succeed, too.
But that's all you can do to me.
It's a great big internet out there, and I'll go on just fine at DC.
You have your rights, and I have my right to say what I want somewhere else and fight with everything I have to ensure that authoritarians like you never gain any real power.
And you just can't stand that.
Well said. Thank you!
In addition to that, you stated:
"So your comment about how no one who was banned from here ever gave money to Jim is just another one of your lies."
I said no such thing. What I said was:
"A list of the banned DC'ers was checked on a FReepathon thread and conclusively, not one was a monthly or dollar-a-day donor. "
My statement is factually correct, and verifiable. Your statement, on the other hand, is your own interpretation of what I said. I never said it. But, even though I never said it, you call me a liar for something I did not say, which can be readily verified right here on this thread.
I don't mind disagreements, but your comments are invalid and rage filled, with no valid relevance to me or my posts.
Sorry to disappoint you. I have no desire to see you banned, but you are doing a good job of drawing attention to your desire all by yourself.
Apparently, truth and facts are just minor details when you accuse somebody of something. Next time, I suggest you should be better prepared, and don't run away when countered, it's bad form.
Your words are in black and white. I don’t have to try to “intentionally cause dissent amongst believers”, you did that well enough on your own.
So sorry I’m not here to cater to you and your diatribe. I have a family and a life outside of this thread.
“Anybody with sense realized that this would be a long war. It is yielding results and to quit now would be disastrous.”
Can you define the objectives of this long war for us please?
How DARE you not be here to answer to me...I demand an immediate response!
*Not easy to do when you have other things to attend to, is it?
Who is "us?" Just trying to understand who "us" and who "them" are.
I'm swamped at work right now. You honestly don't understand why we're at war??
LOL - perhaps some of them don't realize that not all of us live in our parents' basements with nothing to do but spam internet polls all day, eh?
I don’t have to talk to people who only believe the way I do. I can actually have friends who are mormons, catholics, baptists, athiests, or have no belief at all. I often talk to others where faith/church/God never enter the conversation.
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With this and your previous posts on this thread, I agree. I've also seen some of your posts over the years, trussell. Imho, you are an asset to Free Republic, something I cannot always say about a fellow FReeper.
Yet, I also believe that some of those who are no longer here, whether by their own choice or not, do not leave us the less for it. Some were constant disrupters, who must have been keeping the Mods way too busy. It is also very possible that some, if not all, of those who did make a contribution may at some time return. It has happened, from what I have seen.
You whine and carry on about all the abuse the people you boast about having gotten banned heaped on you and your kind, but you don't mention the fact that you and/or your fellow "Christians" dished it right back out in spades. And what did these people you're so proud of having run off do?
My "bullet points" did not apply only to you, but to a group of fundamentalists that you are a part of here who think they are the only true Christians, and that anyone else who doesn't think and believe exactly the way you do is just a piece of trash to be kicked around and crapped on. So who's misrepresenting who now?
If you want quotes, they're legion. Start on the crevo threads and look at the name-calling from your fellow "true Christians." Then move on to the bug zapper thread that you consider to be your crowning achievement on this site. Those two just scratch the surface, but they'll keep you busy for a while.
While you're on those crevo threads, take a look at what is accepted as "science" by the "true Christians" - geocentrism, hollow earth theories, snake oil and quack medicine, assertions that the space program is a fraud. I can point you to another thread where a poster claimed that spectroscopy is "junk science", and therefore the idea that the sun is powered by nuclear fusion of hydrogen is another fraud. The only people that challenged him were on the evo side of the fence.
As for your comments about FR donors, right now I know two people at another forum who were monthly donors to FR, except that they changed their screen names when they moved on after their banning here. I'm sure I can find many more with a bit of asking around.
Besides, people who donate to FR have the option to not have their names listed on the donor lists (monthly and otherwise), so it's almost certain that there were monthly donors who have been banned. You have no leg to stand on when you state -
My statement is factually correct, and verifiable.
Since you've been here since 1999, I have to assume you know about anonymous donations - so therefore you lied.
From your attitude, it appears you only consider money from monthly and dollar-a-day donors to be "worthy" money. Just like only your "true Christian" pals are worthy people, I suppose. I guess you'd better stop having FReepathons then - you wouldn't want Jim to have to contaminate himself with any of that tainted one-time donor cash the 'Thons bring in.
Sorry, I stated that wrong. ‘Us’ was supposed to be ‘the US’. What are the objectives in Iraq for the USA?
Very true Allegra. How are you? Coming home soon?
Your bullet points don't apply to me, period. End of sentence. I am not a part of any group or pack on FR. I am my own man and I speak my own mind based on my own convictions. If you have issues with other people on FR, take it up with them, I have nothing to do with your bullet points and you have nothing to show that I do. Period.
In other words, you have absolutely nothing to back up your accusations against me.
If you want quotes, they're legion...look at the name-calling from your fellow "true Christians."
None, none, none of which are my quotes that align with your specific accusations.
Then you went on to say:
I know two people at another forum who were monthly donors to FR, except that they changed their screen names when they moved on after their banning here. I'm sure I can find many more with a bit of asking around.
Besides, people who donate to FR have the option to not have their names listed on the donor lists (monthly and otherwise), so it's almost certain that there were monthly donors who have been banned. You have no leg to stand on when you state -
My statement is factually correct, and verifiable.
My statement is based on the widely published monthly donor lists and dollar-a-day lists. You are making statements about people who 'changed their screen name' and 'I'm sure I can find more' and 'it's almost certain there were monthly donors who were banned'.
Unless you can prove that, it's all speculation for anyone who objectively would follow this and try and determine who is truthful or not.
Since you've been here since 1999, I have to assume you know about anonymous donations - so therefore you lied.
Lied about what? An unknown, un-named, un-documented person that I'm supposed to somehow magically know has been an anonymous donor?
I'll tell you what; if you can prove any of what you are saying, I have no reason not to accept it as true. Until then, any reasonable person will agree that the published list is a basis for facts, an unpublished, un-named, unknown anonymous possibility is not.
From your attitude, it appears you only consider money from monthly and dollar-a-day donors to be "worthy" money.
Once again you fall victim to your own lack of background and context. My reason for even mentioning monthlies and dollar-a-days is because trussell stated:
"interesting that the new group don’t help get the freepathons complete as fast as the ones who were banned did."
This is quite an inaccurate statement, which I then pointed out the fact that none of the banned posters (at that time) were on either of those lists. Since the monthly/dollar-a-days account for almost 50% of the donations, there was no significant impact from there departure.
The most important issue here is that you, trussell, along with ok_now, the returning banned poster who has been banned agin, and one of the other DC'ers, have once again perverted a thread about political discussion with your rants and obsessions. My comments about insults was in context of a long and civil discussion with another poster about the topic being discussed on this thread.
But once again, you have put your personal agenda ahead of the the real purpose for FR in the first place...a political forum for discussion about conservative principals. You invited yourself into the conversation, you started the discussion, you chose to engage with me, you changed the topic. You both made all the accusations...mostly directed to others, not directly to me, because you don't have any substance to anything that you bring to the discussion.
Maybe you need to know that you can bring 25 more of your friends and try the same thing...it's not going to go anywhere. Maybe you should learn your lesson and go howl at someone else. Here, or elsewhere, I don't care either way.
Don’t lump trussell in with me - I do not believe that she and I have ever posted to one another, so don’t attempt to imply that we’re somehow in collusion. Don’t even think of using me to get her banned.
Having said that, in my opinion she is more of a Christian than you can ever hope to be.
The only reason this discussion ever came up was because you were the one bragging on an open forum about how you got several posters banned by baiting them. That’s called trolling, and on most forums I’ve ever been a part of that’s one of the fastest ways to get yourself banned. I guess it’s accepted practice here now, as long as you’re on the right side in Jim’s view.
My original statement stands - you cannot, using the donor lists, conclusively prove that posters who were banned and are now over at DC never gave any money to Free Republic, as monthly or one time donors. Between the anonymous donors and the people who changed names when they moved on, the data set you’re working with has too many holes to reach that conclusion. Your implication is that we are and were nothing but a bunch of deadbeats is simply a baseless smear.
You want another scalp on your belt, go tell Robinson to take mine. Leave everyone else out of this.
Bye.
You conveniently seem to have forgotten that you chose to intrude on my discussion and write your own diatribe to Jim Rob and everyone else on your PING list stating that I should be ashamed to call myself a Chrsitian. It was you who started this, but if I respond to your baseless allegations, you run away, but then write 3 messages telling me how you don't have time to respond.
Thanks for the chuckle.
Bye.
Not going home this time, but taking a brief respite from the war zone. Going to England to hang out with my sister who lives there. I am SO looking forward to it!
You doing OK?
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