“Again, most of the choses are still left to everyone.
First, there’s all your vice laws.
Then, there’s your war on some drugs.
Then, there’s your online gambling ban.
..I could go on and on.
Social conservatives are not on the side of individual liberty. If they were, there’d be no need for a libertarian party, and half the liberals would come over. But there is, and they don’t. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
“First, there’s all your vice laws.”
Like what? I haven’t been arrested for a vice law yet. Still waiting...
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“Then, there’s your war on some drugs.”
Freedom of drugs? Perhaps we can be like China, around the 1700’s and have a 1/3 of our population addicted to opium.
This is common-sense. Weed maybe the most benign of them, but the rest aren’t exactly commercial benefits to society. And since our society doesn’t live on a completely free basis (on so many levels), we’re forced to support these drug-head morons....
So no.
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“Then, there’s your online gambling ban.”
This is done over economic reasons, not really social. Vegas still needs to make money. If it was pure social reason, gambling would be completely banned.
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“Social conservatives are not on the side of individual liberty. If they were, there’d be no need for a libertarian party, and half the liberals would come over. But there is, and they don’t. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.”
With every idea there needs to be counter-vailing views. I don’t fear the ‘social coservatives’. That’s just silly. Maybe because I’m not living a drug infested life w/gambling problems.
If that’s the epitome of social freedom, count me out. I’m a moderate libertarian conservative. I’m not fighting for idealogy....common sense will due.
Which reminds me of one last thing. Whether you believe it or not, my roots are in the libertarian movement. Ayn Rand was my first influence...can’t get more libertarian than that.
This sort of dissention of views has gone on since Adams and Jefferson. They had differing views on what we would indentify as Conservatism and Libertarian views. Their ideas and views are still prevalent to this day. But in all essence they are allies.
They generally make-up what we call the Republican Party.
C&L should debate rigorously, but I fail to see the worth of such semantic apraisals of idealogy above common sense. Purely judging an issue off an idealogy, is often not the best means of understanding the issue.