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To: The Grammarian
Some use the term 'baptism in the Spirit,' although they understand what the baptism in the Spirit is wrongly, saying that it does not occur at regeneration, but comes later.

From all my dealings with them, they don't believe that 'baptism in the Spirit' is a perfecting event either. It doesn't seem to have the remotest resemblance to the doctrine of 'entire sanctification' - to me. (I believe the indwelling/filling with the Spirit occurs at the moment of salvation, so that in effect puts me in a second-class Christian caste according to the 'baptism of the Spirit' folks...)

25 posted on 12/01/2003 1:25:54 PM PST by Terriergal (Psalm 11: 3 "When the foundations are being destroyed, what can the righteous do?")
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To: Terriergal
From all my dealings with them, they don't believe that 'baptism in the Spirit' is a perfecting event either. It doesn't seem to have the remotest resemblance to the doctrine of 'entire sanctification' - to me. (I believe the indwelling/filling with the Spirit occurs at the moment of salvation, so that in effect puts me in a second-class Christian caste according to the 'baptism of the Spirit' folks...)

Who exactly are 'them'? Pentecostals and people involved in "Holiness Movement" churches--both of which have their roots in deviations of Methodist doctrine--but particularly Holiness people, believe that "the baptism in the Spirit" is entire sanctification. The Pentecostal has two 'camps': those who say that BitS (baptism in the Spirit) is a work of empowerment but not necessarily of holiness, and those who say that it is both empowerment AND holiness.

In either case, they believe that it is a 'second work of grace.' While orthodox Methodism (which has been in short supply since at LEAST the late 1800s) agrees that entire sanctification is a second work of grace--they equate it to the completion of the work started in regeneration, though it itself is also not ever truly 'complete' in a sense that doesn't mean it can still grow--they say that Baptism in the Spirit occurs at the moment of salvation, for "if anyone have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His."

26 posted on 12/01/2003 1:43:10 PM PST by The Grammarian
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