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Thomas A. Droleskey on the Lies of Protestantism
Seattle Catholic ^ | September 29, 2003 | Thomas A. Droleskey

Posted on 09/30/2003 9:32:47 AM PDT by Fifthmark

Protestantism is founded on many lies: (1) That Our Blessed Lord and Savior Jesus Christ did not create a visible, hierarchical Church. (2) That there is no authority given by Our Lord to the Pope and his bishops and priests to govern and to sanctify the faithful. (3) That each believer has an immediate and personal relationship with the Savior as soon as he makes a profession of faith on his lips and in his heart, therefore being perpetually justified before God. (4) Having been justified by faith alone, a believer has no need of an intermediary from a non-existent hierarchical priesthood to forgive him his sins. He is forgiven by God immediately when he asks forgiveness. (5) This state of justification is not earned by good works. While good works are laudable, especially to help unbelievers convert, they do not impute unto salvation. Salvation is the result of the profession of faith that justifies the sinner. (6) That grace is merely, in the words of Martin Luther, the snowflakes that cover up the "dungheap" that is man. (7) That there is only one source of Divine Revelation, Sacred Scripture. (8) That each individual is his own interpreter of Sacred Scripture. (9) That there is a strict separation of Church and State. Princes, to draw from Luther himself, may be Christians but it is not as a Christian that they ought to rule. These lies have permutated in thousands of different directions. However, they have sewn the fabric of the modern state and popular culture for nearly 500 years (I shudder to think how the Vatican is going to commemorate the 500th anniversary of Luther's posting his 95 theses on the church doors in Wittenberg fourteen years from now).

Here below are explanations of these lies and their multifaceted implications for the world in which we live:

(1-2) The contention that Our Lord did not create a visible, hierarchical church vitiates the need for a hierarchical, sacerdotal priesthood for the administration of the sacraments. It is a rejection of the entirety of the history of Christianity prior to the Sixteenth Century. It is a denial of the lesson taught us by Our Lord by means of His submission to His own creatures, Saint Joseph and the Blessed Mother, in the Holy Family of Nazareth that each of us is to live our entire lives under authority, starting with the authority of the Vicar of Christ and those bishops who are in full communion with him. The rejection of the visible, hierarchical church is founded on the prideful belief that we are able to govern ourselves without being directed by anyone else on earth. This contention would lead in due course to the rejection of any and all religious belief as necessary for individuals and for societies. Luther and Calvin paved the way for Jean-Jacques Rousseau and the French Revolution that followed so closely the latter's deification of man.

(3-6) Baptism is merely symbolic of the Christian's desire to be associated with the Savior in the amorphous body known as the Church. What is determinative of the believer's relationship with Christ is his profession of faith. As the believer remains a reprobate sinner, all he can do is to seek forgiveness by confessing his sins privately to God. This gives the Protestant of the Lutheran strain the presumptuous sense that there is almost nothing he can do to lose his salvation once he has made his profession of faith in the Lord Jesus. There is thus no belief that a person can scale the heights of personal sanctity by means of sanctifying grace. It is impossible, as Luther projected from his own unwillingness to cooperate with sanctifying grace to overcome his battles with lust, for the believer to be anything other than a dungheap. Thus a Protestant can sin freely without for once considering that he has killed the life of sanctifying grace in his soul, thereby darkening his intellect and weakening the will and inclining himself all the more to sin-and all the more a vessel of disorder and injustice in the larger life of society.

(7-8) The rejection of a visible, hierarchical Church and the rejection of Apostolic Tradition as a source of Divine Revelation protected by that Church leads in both instances to theological relativism. Without an authoritative guide to interpret Divine Revelation, including Sacred Scripture, individual believers can come to mutually contradictory conclusions about the meaning of passages, the precise thing that has given rise to literally thousands of Protestant sects. And if a believer can reduce the Bible, which he believes is the sole source of Divine Revelation, to the level of individual interpretation, then there is nothing to prevent anyone from doing the same with all written documents, including the documents of a nation's founding. If the plain words of Scripture can be deconstructed of their meaning, it is easy to do so, say, with the words of a governmental constitution. Theological relativism paved the way for moral relativism. Moral relativism paved the way for the triumph of positivism and deconstructionism as normative in the realm of theology and that of law and popular culture.

(9) The overthrow of the Social Kingship of Jesus Christ as it was exercised by His true Church in the Middle Ages by the Protestant concept of the separation of Church and State is what gave rise to royal absolutism in Europe in the immediate aftermath of Luther's handiwork. Indeed, as I have noted any number of times before, it is arguably the case that the conditions that bred resentment on the part of colonists in English America prior to 1776 might never have developed if England had remained a Catholic nation. The monarchy would have been subject in the Eighteenth Century to same constraints as it had in the Tenth or Eleventh Centuries, namely, that kings and queens would have continued to understand that the Church reserved unto herself the right to interpose herself in the event that rulers had done things-or proposed to do things-that were contrary to the binding precepts of the Divine positive law and the natural law and/or were injurious of the cause of the sanctification and salvation of the souls of their subjects. The overthrow of the Social Kingship of Jesus Christ deposited power first of all in the hands of monarchs eager to be rid of the "interference" of the Church and ultimately in the hands of whoever happened to hold the reins of governmental power in the modern "democratic" state. Despotism has been the result in both cases

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To: Fifthmark
Infallible Magisterium,

Is this the same Infallible Magisterium that covered up for the child molesters?

121 posted on 09/30/2003 2:43:26 PM PDT by jude24
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To: Havoc
You are "born-again" when you are baptised, as this washes away Original Sin and makes you a child of God. Christ also said: "He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned." Please tell me exactly what you think passes for belief, as we all are required to know to avoid damnation.
122 posted on 09/30/2003 2:44:39 PM PDT by Fifthmark
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To: Fifthmark
What are you, a poor man's anti-Catholic entertainment? Have you anything of substance to say?

Yes and unlike you I write my own material (Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of course )..And I would like to point out your anti protestant diatribe Is the root of this tree

123 posted on 09/30/2003 2:45:23 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: drstevej
Please, invent your own version elsewhere; look to the Church for the truth of the matter.
124 posted on 09/30/2003 2:46:21 PM PDT by Fifthmark
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To: Gamecock
Oh really? Who started that sect, given that Jesus Christ started the Catholic Church?
125 posted on 09/30/2003 2:47:14 PM PDT by Fifthmark
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To: RnMomof7
Gee Mom, I guess you've been well and truly anathematised tonight!

Gal 1,8 "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.
9 As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema."
126 posted on 09/30/2003 2:48:07 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Wrigley
You'll have to take my word for it. I'm not about to go thru the countless threads to find the examples. I've seen them, and they've been commented on.

Sure, no doubt. Now if you excuse me, I have to post some questionable "facts" about Calvinists. I'll reference your post if anyone wants some sort of evidence or examples.

No time for that nonsense, much to busy.

127 posted on 09/30/2003 2:48:21 PM PDT by conservonator
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To: conservonator
I don't now about the second claim but regarding the first: unless he used the superlative "all" preceding the word protestant, I don't see what you problem is with his assertion.

Judge for yourself:

Q. What is the act of faith of a Protestant?

A. O my God, I believe nothing except what my own private judgment tells me to believe; therefore I believe that I can interpret Thy written word -- the Holy Scriptures -- as I choose. I believe that the Pope is anti-Christ; that any man can be saved, provided he is an honest man; I believe that faith alone is sufficient for salvation; that good works, and works of penance, and the confession of sins are not necessary, etc.

Q. Is this an act of divine faith?

A. It is rather a great blasphemy against God; it is the language of Luther, who, according to his own avowal, learned it from the devil.

128 posted on 09/30/2003 2:48:30 PM PDT by malakhi (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
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To: RnMomof7
that no one has shown us anything ... that fits in with MOPIOS
129 posted on 09/30/2003 2:49:37 PM PDT by conservonator
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To: Fifthmark
St. Ann and St. Joachim. At the moment of her Immaculate Conception, she was kept free from the stain of Original Sin by God, who promised the devil after the fall of Adam to "...put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed" (Genesis iii.15)

One more thing that is made up of whole cloth .. there is no reference to a sinless Mary ..But why let a little thing like the bible get in the way of a nice doctrine?

Luk 1:47   And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.   

Mary like all of fallen mankind need a savior

130 posted on 09/30/2003 2:50:32 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: malakhi
Again, can't comment on the second and I haven’t a problem with the first.
131 posted on 09/30/2003 2:51:26 PM PDT by conservonator
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To: Havoc
Pray tell, since obviously you alone have the answers, what is the true Church? What are you called to believe? What is Christianity? If you wish to take down the only bastion that God gave man to contain revelation, you had better start coming up with answers, quick.
132 posted on 09/30/2003 2:51:37 PM PDT by Fifthmark
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To: Fifthmark
This is a riot. You predict the downfall of the Catholic Church and its denigration to "cult" status, and yet it has survived every conceivable onslaught of the last 2,000 years to be the faith of more than 1 billion people worldwide. How long has your sect been limping along?

The Holy Spirit left the Catholic church when Trent denied Salvation by faith . I invite you too tasks a good look at the fruit of your church tree..

133 posted on 09/30/2003 2:52:36 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Yes it does..

Given your previous use of this argument yourself, I hope the irony is not lost on you.

134 posted on 09/30/2003 2:53:02 PM PDT by malakhi (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
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To: Fifthmark
If you wish to take down the only bastion that God gave man to contain revelation, you had better start coming up with answers, quick.

Yeah, right. Blame God for the mess of the Catholic church.

135 posted on 09/30/2003 2:53:36 PM PDT by jude24
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To: drstevej
Fanciful eisegesis of Genesis 3:15 ya got there. Looks like the magisterium that you accord the sole athority to interpret Scripture is an inventive bunch.

I would catalog that next to the idea the woman in revelation is Mary..

136 posted on 09/30/2003 2:54:06 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Havoc
You should carry this to it's proper conclusion. Christ commanded that we must be both born again and baptised in the spirit in order to be His. If they be lacking in either, they are none of His. QED.

I hope not..but according to this article it is something that must be considered

137 posted on 09/30/2003 2:56:27 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Havoc
You should carry this to it's proper conclusion. Christ commanded that we must be both born again and baptised in the spirit in order to be His. If they be lacking in either, they are none of His. QED.

I hope not..but according to this article it is something that must be considered

138 posted on 09/30/2003 2:57:44 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
So God, who is omnipotent, would choose to incarnate His Holy Son in a defiled temple of woman, when He who created the universe out of nothing could have easily rendered her without stain? Why don't you humor me with your personal interpretation of "...put enmities between thee and the woman"?
139 posted on 09/30/2003 2:59:37 PM PDT by Fifthmark
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To: jude24
Jude you need to study things before yo make a comment like that . It is common knowledge that they are still in effect.. If you want to discredit what is there prove it. The declarations of Trent have NEVER been denied or removed
140 posted on 09/30/2003 3:06:30 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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