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To: Tax-chick; Maximilian
John Kippley brought this up in the latest CCL newsletter. He said he believes promoters of NFP have often tended to offer it as "morally acceptable birth control," and have underemphasized the need for serious reasons to avoid conception. He intends to make this point more strongly in the future - that positive openness to new life (not just "We can live with OOPS!") is the truly Catholic position on marriage.

Wow, that IS good. Kippley IS the NFP movement in America. I'm glad to see the mainstream (CCL) moving in a direction opposite that of Fr. Hogan, who appears to be out on a limb here.

4 posted on 09/23/2003 6:37:00 PM PDT by Polycarp (PRO-LIFE--without exception, without compromise, without apology.)
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To: Polycarp
Fr. Hogan, who appears to be out on a limb here.

Pastors, above all, should be the ones to categorically reject society's assumption against children, and to encourage true self-giving in marriage. Of course, priests and bishops should be taking many firm stands that they are avoiding ...

It's harder for people out on the front lines of anti-contraception ministry, because the anti-children mindset is so strong. Sometimes just persuading someone against sterilization, or against abortifacient birth control, is the best one can do.

I think Fr. Hogan is recognizing this point at some level ... the practice of NFP generally does result in a less selfish marriage, and in a conversion to family, although there are some exceptions. In that sense it is a "positive good," both compared to artificial contraception, and compared to providentialism, what the Protestants call the "quiverfull" mindset. I find that both those ways of thinking encourage sexual gluttony, a lack of consideration for the spouse, and a view of marriage that is overly physical.

8 posted on 09/24/2003 3:26:57 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Did I say that? Quotes only, no paraphrasing, please!)
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To: Polycarp
Kippley IS the NFP movement in America.

I wish that were true. But the reality is that he doesn't even represent the mainstream of CCL. His columns are usually very good, but the rest of the CCL newsletter never mentions the requirement of grave reasons. When they publish some woman's chart, maybe they could also mention the grave reason for why she' using NFP. I find a family planning mentality to be present in the CCL literature, although Kippley himself comes across as much more authentically Catholic.

12 posted on 09/29/2003 4:39:24 PM PDT by Maximilian
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