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To: drstevej; Tantumergo
[1] Prove Rev 12:1 is a reference to Mary. Biblical sources please.

Rev. 12.5. "And she brought forth a male child, who is to rule all nations with a rod of iron." Mary brought for Jesus (Luke 2.6-21). Of Whom, we read "I will give Thee the nations for Thy inheritance, and the utmost parts of the earth for Thy possession. Thou shalt rule them with a rod of iron ..." (Psalm 2.7-8)

How can this be any person but Mary?

[2] Demonstrate the linkage between the ark of Rev 11:19 and the woman of Revelation 12:1. Proximity doesn't equal identity.

We have established above the woman is Mary.

The Ark of the Covenant is not Christ. Psalm 131.8 says: "Arise, O Lord, into Thy resting place: Thou and the ark which Thou hast made of incorruptible wood."

The Ark of the Covenant contained the law of the old covenant given on Sinai, but Jesus Himself is the law of the new covenant (2 Cor. 3.2-18). Where before we had the Law, now we have Grace, the Life of God, Christ.

2 Corinthians 3.2 You are our epistle, written in our hearts, which is known and read by all men:
3 Being manifested, that you are the epistle of Christ, ministered by us, and written: not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God: not in tables of stone but in the fleshly tables of the heart.
4 And such confidence we have, through Christ, towards God.
5 Not that we are sufficient to think any thing of ourselves, as of ourselves: but our sufficiency is from God.
6 Who also hath made us fit ministers of the new testament, not in the letter but in the spirit. For the letter killeth: but the spirit quickeneth.
7 Now if the ministration of death, engraven with letters upon stones, was glorious (so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses, for the glory of his countenance), which is made void:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather in glory?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more the ministration of justice aboundeth in glory.
10 For even that which was glorious in this part was not glorified by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is in glory.
12 Having therefore such hope, we use much confidence.
13 And not as Moses put a veil upon his face, that the children of Israel might not steadfastly look on the face of that which is made void.
14 But their senses were made dull. For, until this present day, the selfsame veil, in the reading of the old testament, remaineth not taken away (because in Christ it is made void).
15 But even until this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.
16 But when they shall be converted to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit. And where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, beholding the glory of the Lord with open face, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Just as the Ark of the Covenant contained the Old Law, so Mary contained Jesus.

Because the Mary and the Ark are linked in typology, and the woman is shown to be Mary, their proximity in the narrative is linked, and is not accidental.

97 posted on 09/15/2003 7:17:31 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
I grant you point [1] and am unconvinced by point [2].

The mercy seat was the cover of the ark of the covenant and is where the blood was sprinkled by the High Priest to make atonement.

Explain how this relates to Mary as the ark.
98 posted on 09/15/2003 7:27:49 PM PDT by drstevej
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