[drstevej]

***The symbols used have typological meaning and are frequently applied to both Jesus and Mary corresponding to what is termed primary and secondary symbolization.***

I'll take the primary and leave the secondary. There is biblical basis for the primary. The secondary is wholly speculative.

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me [NOT ME AND MARY].

[Hermann the Cherusker]

No Catholic or Orthodox "believes in" or "has faith in" Blessed Mary. She is human. Jesus is God.

[eastsider]

I'll take the primary and leave the secondary. There is biblical basis for the primary. The secondary is wholly speculative.

I don't see it as a matter of speculation as much as a matter of meditation. For example, it is not speculative that Jesus is flesh of Mary's flesh, blood of Mary's blood -- "manna" of Mary's "manna," if you will.

[Tantumergo]

"John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me [NOT ME AND MARY]."

But Steve, Moses did indeed write of Mary:

Gen 3,15 "I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: s/he shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her/his heel."