Posted on 09/08/2003 9:11:49 PM PDT by american colleen
There was a thread a couple weeks back. The FSSP was conducting a local pilgrimage terminating at the Basilica. They had written for permission to say the Mass far in advance and had received it. But at the last minute, the day before the pilgrimage, someone in the chancery put 2 and 2 together and figured out that the FSSP would be saying a (gasp) Latin Mass and this would set a terrible (according to them) precedent. So they withdrew the permission at the last minute saying that they would need to apply for a special indult and it would take weeks, etc.
What are some bishops so afraid of? There is no exlaination good enough to excuse forbidding a one time Tridentine Mass - especially said by a growing order. And you know what? Because the FFSP isn't progressive, they obeyed the bishop even though the directive is inexplicable. Wonder if McCarrick even knew about it.
The wimpy bishops will just allow the sodomites and their anti-Catholic secret society buddies and masters to bankrupt and shame the American Church even further. Catholics should stop funding AmChurch silliness and they should do so vocally and publicly. Empty black envelopes in the collection plate might not be a bad idea.
It is the reason why those people who swoon at the mention of John XXIII's name never speak of Paul VI.
First,I would not have expected any fired up responses from the bishops,most especially Cardinal McCarrick and Bishop Gregory.Their public responses after the meeting with the "dissenters" seemed to me to indicate that they may have been somewhat blindsided by the the list of attendees as well as their agenda.But after that meeting they did not say a thing except they were surprised. I think no coomments were apropriate in this case also,and not at all indicative of their non-agreement. I think those are the only two worth considering anyway.
Second,as I recall this meeting was set up for them to listen to what non-dissenting CAtholics had to say.This appears to have been accomplished."Listening seesions" do not usually result in responses for some time even if they recognized Truth when they heard it.
Third,I sense that the attendees may have felt a resistance to our concerns but when you look at the list of Church representatives,most of them were bureaucrats who work for the Conference,what else could we have expected? Most of them were placed by the Bernardin contingent,who I believe hold good Bishops hostage and play with them and us, by stonewalling,bottlenecking,obfuscating and in all ways thwarting the Holy Father,the curia and good,faithful Catholics. I would have been very suspicious of any enthusiastic,on the spot endorsement of any ideas put forward. Remember,the comments that gave the attendees their "take" were most probably made by men who have a great animose toward us. We have been,and are, what they have been fighting.
My biggest concerns involve the bishops,who were there. I don't know anything about Friend and why he would have been there but I have followed Sklstra and Lynch and I can only pray that they do not ascend to higher postions at the USCCB,they are the "enemy",IMO.Until we get new bishops at the top,we are in trouble. Nonetheless,we should be happy that we are now seeing and identifying those wolves in sheeps' clothing that have practically deccimated the Church in the U.S.
I have one more comment which is probably not worth much,but I wish people would consider and that is,any one of us who at this time still mentions looking at the celibacy issue is really not thinking with the mind of the Church. I wish they would really pray to the Holy Ghost to conform their thinking to the mind of the Church.
Not the case. Humanae Vitae was a sell-out to the liberals. There was an article in Latin Mass magazine some time back. Humanae Vitae never mentioned the primary purpose of marriage, never mentioned "go forth and multiply," it spoke about the scary dangers of over-population, it encouraged "responsible parenthood." It's only "confrontational" aspect was that it encouraged "natural" birth control instead of "artificial."
It enraged the left to fits of apoplexy.
Their pet mouse let out a brief lion's roar and they lost it.
Humanae Vitae is the document that empirically proved that the doctrine of Indefectibility is true.
From a purely human standpoint, no other outcome that total capitulation could have been expected.
This is a colosally silly statement, Max, and I disagree with it totally!
If obedience meant only enduring things that please us, it wouldn't be virtuous.
IOW, anyone who favors optional celibacy should shut up, right?
When the Pope declares mandatory celibacy to be a doctrine of the Church, you'll get your wish.
Nuh-uh. Not the poster you addressed.
He's in the SSPX, whose leadership is in schism.
Conservatives have tended to judge issues by this standard, by the reaction of the left. But this is at best a poor standard to go by, and is entirely subjective.
From a purely human standpoint, no other outcome that total capitulation could have been expected.
The Minority Report of the Papal Commission did not think so. They strongly re-affirmed the traditional teaching of the Church.
Last November there was a statement put out by the bishops that went under the radar because all the attention was on the scandal situation. It was on violence in marriage, and of course no one is in favor of violence in marriage. But the document had some horrible statements that were blatantly contrary to Catholic teaching on marriage. The vote was 249 - 2. So there are only 2 bishops at most in the US who are willing to take an unpopular stance in defense of the Catholic faith. We aren't even sure about the 2 "No" votes, they could have had other motivations, but we are sure that 249 will support non-Catholic teaching rather than go against the politically-correct trend.
What were the "horrible statements"? Since you get in such a snit over NFP, excuse me if I want to see the actual statements rather than take your word for it.
Well said.
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