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To: Aliska
They must be in denial. How can they not know? Naturally he wouldn't want to talk about it publicly. Not pc.

No, it wasn't that he doesn't know - he clearly does and he did talk about it somewhat - wheat and chafe analogy and also the weakness of mankind and a lack of real Faith in Jesus. He said that some have a mental picture and image of Jesus but he is not their best friend. He also cited the fact that in the last 40 or 50 years sin is increasingly not a sin and anything goes.

It was just that he used the word "pedophile" instead of "homosexuality" or "homosexual" and you know he knows the difference - he's way, way smarter than I am! Although there is that language barrier to a degree. But still.

10 posted on 09/05/2003 6:56:35 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
Did you catch the question on the liturgy? Arroyo asked about ad orientem and whether there were plans to restore it to the Novus Ordo liturgy!
13 posted on 09/05/2003 7:41:17 PM PDT by NYer (Roman Catholic and proud of it.)
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To: american colleen
I think the Am bishops only tell Rome what they must. They want to look like they are doing a good job.

I wish I could have seen the interview.

I'm wondering about that "loss of faith". If they have no faith at all, they don't even belong in the church and certainly not as clergy. It is more difficult to have the kind of faith where you really know God will help you if you do your best. Problem is there is no iq test for faith so they can't weed them out, as if they would if they are doing a job.

I still think that the clergy don't have to use their faith muscles the way some of the rest of us do. Everything is kind of laid out for them and they simply do not have the basic worries of keeping a roof over their heads and trying to care for dependents.

I know some of them have to have a different kind of faith commensurate with their responsibilities, and a few of them have demonstrated that they do.

One reason I do believe even the worst of them (for example, Porter) still have a modicum of faith is that they continue practicing their religion even after being brought low. So I don't know if I really buy the loss of faith. It seems to be a loss of something else. Like basic values. Even some people with no faith at all have conditioned themselves not to cross certain lines and can be entrusted with great things in the worldly sense.

Pay no attention. I'm just trying to figure some things out for myself.

22 posted on 09/05/2003 8:39:55 PM PDT by Aliska
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