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1 posted on 09/01/2003 4:06:41 PM PDT by sinkspur
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PING.

Stephen Hand stirs the pot.
2 posted on 09/01/2003 4:11:47 PM PDT by Loyalist (Who gazed upon the world with lidless eyes....)
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Because Fr. Wilson finds it (rightly, I might add) offensive that US bishops have not spoken out sufficiently about the "crisis in catechesis, religious life, priesthood, seminaries, universities and colleges, high schools, family life, moral theology, liturgy, and spirituality...," he thinks that to take up the matter of widening the pool of candidates for better propsects, real men, for the priesthood at this time, is a mere "rearranging the chairs on the Titanic".

What about the concept of KISS? (keep it simple stupid):  get your house in order first, and move on to further issues from there.

"Goodbye, Good Men" illustrates some remarkable points related to seminarians, orthodoxy, and agenda-driven members within the Church that I am inclined to believe must be examined and changed in order to end the crisis.  The number of ordinations is UP in dioceses run by Bishops who are unwavering on Church teaching.  
Curtiss explained that when dioceses and religious orders are unambiguous about the priesthood as the Church defines this calling, when there is strong support for vocations, and a minimum of dissent about the male, celibate priesthood, then there are documented increases in the number of candidates who respond to the call.   p4 A Man-Made Crisis, Goodbye, Good Men
If this is accurate and true, why not examine and implement what is being done properly instead of what I see as an "easy out" of married priests?
3 posted on 09/01/2003 4:46:29 PM PDT by GirlShortstop
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Mr. Hand is mistaken on this issue. Married priests are not the solution to the sexual scandal.
7 posted on 09/01/2003 5:28:36 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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In principle, I am not opposed to priests being married, and in theory, what would work best is if a parish is served by a celibate pastor, while the vicars would be married priests. The role of the married priests would be mainly liturgical in nature.

That said, it would be a disaster in the present day if the church allows a married priesthood on a universal scale. The biggest problem is many of the men who would be first in line for the priesthood, those who are semi retired or retiried who are in the 50s and 60s, also hold views on liturgy and often on church teachings that are in severe conflict with tradition. Also if this is allowed in the present day, it would further extend the life of the modernist heresy, it would give the dwindleing numbers of progressives a dramatic boost.

Maybe in 30 years time, after the liturgy is retored using the real objectives of Vatican II, after the modernist heresy and the "sprit of Vatican II" fade away, after the dissent retires and passes away, this issue can be taken up, but now it would be a disaster.
21 posted on 09/01/2003 8:15:59 PM PDT by JNB (I am a Catholic FIRST)
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