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To: JNB
The reason why Catholics did not have their right to kneel for communion taken away was because traditional leaning Catholics attending the Novus Ordo wrote many letters to Rome, this very well may not have happened if they were attending Tridentine only parish'.

Of course, if kneeling for communion was the locus of objection to the Novus Ordo, then the Tridentine advocates could attend a Mass of their own rite.

it would not be good for the overall chruch, and it would derail overall liturgical restoration.

Your "liturgical restoration" involves, no doubt, a full return to the Tridentine Rite.

Listen to this carefully, JNB:That is not going to happen! Now, given that reality, we can move forward, and discuss further.

63 posted on 08/30/2003 8:47:45 PM PDT by sinkspur (How about rescuing a Bichon Frise? He'll love you forever!!!!)
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To: sinkspur
Did I say for the restoration of the Tridentine mass as the normative mass? No. As I mentioned on other threads, for the most part the Novus Ordo missal is sound, the problem comes from sloppy rubrics and a poor translation. As I have also mentioned, the Novus Ordo can be celebrated in such a manner to make it almost iodentical to the TRidentine mass, while in theory(and by 1970 in practice) the Tridentine mass can be celebrated in such a sloppy, non reverent manner to make it look almost identical to so many suburban parish' today.

To me and many others, a restoration would include getting rid of altar girls, getting rid of EEMs(a good solution would be to require all priests and deacons, the ordinary ministers of the Eucharist to be present at all day of obligation masses), communion under both species via intionction, getting rid of altar girls, restoration of the communion rail, having only the Roman Cannon I as the only Eucharistic Prayer and a missal in properly English. Except for the missal translation itself, the pastor has the power to do all of these things if he so wishes.

Things such as Vernacular, or the direction the priest faces( it would take a large amount of education in a slow manner to get the laity to understand the "ad orientum" posture) are issues that people who want to restore the mass can live with. Anyways, time is running out on the Vatican II era clergy who protect many of the abuses, and after 2010, it is going to be difficult for people who want to block the restoration to hold on to their power.
64 posted on 08/30/2003 8:59:36 PM PDT by JNB (I am a Catholic FIRST)
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To: sinkspur
About kneeling for communion, again it is a perfectly valid posture, and again sinkspur, thankfully Tradtional leaning Catholics wrote letters to Rome. You may want to get rid of us, put us in our own rite, but guess what, you will not be able to get rid of us that easily. The normative rite will regain its lost reverence, the reverence that still is present in a handful of Parish' such as Assumption Grotto in Detroit, in the long term.
66 posted on 08/30/2003 9:09:27 PM PDT by JNB (I am a Catholic FIRST)
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