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I will never back off my preference for the Novus Ordo. But, that preference should not be an impediment to your preference.

The Vatican II euphoria screwed over the Catholics committed to the Tridentine Rite. Continually picking at that wound has gotten us to where we are today.

Novus Ordo bishops are not going to bend, and, even if they did, there would be continual conflict.

A separate rite is the answer, don't you think?

Absolutely. And notice the response your generosity and kindness is eliciting? A kind word turns away malice.

You might want to print out the exchanges on this thread twixt you and the old schoolers, trads, conservatives, whatever-they/we-are-called and show them to the Bishops.

Liturgical Diversity within Christian Unity with all obedient to legitimate authority.

I think an approach like that would go a long ways towards ending the Liturgical Wars and enmity twixt those on the starboard side and those on the port side of the Barque of Peter.

I'm not as easily convinced.

While a patriarchate is the easy solution, that's not necessarily the best solution. Balkanizing the Roman Catholic church will make the Church like, ah, the Balkan states.

And it will take a fair amount of capital to effect this, albeit such will be 'in-house' trading with no immediate net effects.

I'd rather work towards some sort of unification. Wouldn't bother me to see those who are NOT going with Rome to depart--make it simple and sweet. And that would be from both sides of the table.

Actually, the really interesting division among the bishops on allowing the Tridentine is that it is more often than not the LIBERAL bishops who have been most generous in allowing the Tridentine and the more conservative bishops who seem to feel that allowing the Tridentine may undermine their authority in some way. Roger McCaffery, former publisher and founder of The Latin Mass magazine has written extensively in that magazine on exactly that point. Obviously there are exceptions in each group.

This is one where the more liberal among Catholics have earned credit. It tends to be the more conservative Catholics who want, often, to abolish the Novus Ordo with all the unnecessary pain that would entail for those devoted to the NO, pain that would echo the intense pain suffered by their Tridentine predecessors in the 1960s.

Each Mass is valid. Neither Mass should ever be said in such a way as to fail in reverence. Each should be said according to its own reverent rubrics. Finally, it is a bad idea for Tridentine Catholics to ghettoize themselves self-indulging in all the bells, smells and whistles and caring less about what happens in the rest of the Church. I dare say it would be a good idea for Novus Ordo Catholics to atend an occasional Tridentine Mass. In this way abuses may be restrained on each side and better relations may be fostered among all Catholics.