[Thorondir]

Goad and bait and goad and bait and dodge and cry and obfuscate.

Why? What is the purpose of one who throws a CLAIM of clergy in everybody's face while disparaging Popes Leo XIII and ST. Pius X, and the Holy Catholic Church before VII, while jumping for joy at the striking down of a sodomy law in TX, and praisng the removal of the Ten Commandments from American public life and supporting homosexual priests, and disparaging the Church for failing to ordain married men and saying that "Rome is the problem"?

Is there a central purpose behind all of this? There sure seems to be.

Please forgive me if I seem paranoid, and please forgive me if I am just too much of a party-pooper to laugh and dance with the forces of evil. I am sick of it. I am sick of the diabolical charade and perversion and lies.

From now on, my brother, if the thread is nothing more than another of the goadmaster's opportunistic attacks, don't bother pinging me to it.

Dominus tecum

[Maximilian]

I think this article is actually making some very relevant points. John Allen's articles have not been your typical left-wing tripe as you would expect from the NCR. Now he is getting even better. First he points out that the pope is fundamentally liberal in a way that previous popes, even liberal ones like Paul VI, were not. Then he makes a very sophisticated analysis of liberal Western culture. Well, if he doesn't make it himself, at least he refers readers to where they can find it: Alastair Macintyre, David Schindler, et al. Have Catholics sold their birthright for a mess of pottage by embracing liberal enlightenment thought and politics? This question was buried under the tide of victory in WWII, but now it is coming back to the fore.

[NYer]

Please forgive me if I seem paranoid,

Just curious ... which religion do you practice?

[ninenot]

Naaah.

Look at it as seeing the same goal from two different perspectives. Ari and Nietzsche --Niet. representing the Will, Ari the primacy of the Good...

This is not new stuff--and it's sort of like the Athens v. Jerusalem "debate." It's really not a debate--it's a matter of perspective.

That's why Chesterton alluded to Orthodoxy not as a pinpoint, but as a circle--a small one, but large enough to accomodate 'holy proximity,' to coin a sure-to-be-flamed phrase.