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Whatever it does mean, liberalism certainly does not mean the protection of the individual against the ever-growing Leviathan State.

See, that's the problem. Modern political liberalism doesn't mean protection of the individual against the state. But classical liberalism certainly does. After all, Hobbes who gave us the Leviathan was an important influence on those classical liberals, like Locke.

12 posted on 08/22/2003 3:44:13 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Hobbes who gave us the Leviathan was an important influence on those classical liberals, like Locke.

I wonder if you aren't mis-reading Hobbes. He was in favor of the Leviathan. He believed that only power and authority could hold the state together. Liberalism, even classical liberalism, and the exercise of power have always gone together.

15 posted on 08/22/2003 3:47:33 PM PDT by Maximilian
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Amen. But, it is even worse as "liberalism" is more of an emotive state than a set of identifiable principles.
17 posted on 08/22/2003 3:51:53 PM PDT by As you well know...
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To: nickcarraway
Modern political liberalism doesn't mean protection of the individual against the state. But classical liberalism certainly does.

Perfectly said. Succinct and true.

39 posted on 08/22/2003 9:28:56 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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