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To: GOP_Thug_Mom
Mr. Popcak was just asking for it when he made those comments, but I think you all are WAY over-reacting.

You may be right, but did you read the original article regarding Popcak? It was more than a couple of comments. Here is the link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/966863/posts

32 posted on 08/21/2003 7:59:29 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
I went and read it. I'll admit he comes off as a "modernist" (from reading the definition), but what everyone here is arguing about is something that SHOULD BE DISCUSSED by ALL Catholics. I spent 10 years doing pro-life work. I learned quickly the origination of the abortion mindset--the contracepting mentality that says, "Sex is for enjoyment, not babies".

To give you my own personal story--I'm 37, my mother is 65. 15 years ago, when my sister got married, I gave her an NFP book at her bridal shower. My mother later called to chastise me for giving her something like that(after assuring my sister I was out of line.) She said it was none of my business. My mother used rhythm, and was in NO WAY for any birth control, as it is against Church Teaching. She just thought I was being "immodest" by giving that to her. I later discovered my sister was on the pill. And imagine how I felt when I went to the hospital on the joyous occasion of the birth of her 3rd child, only to learn that she was being prepped for a tubal ligation.

When everyone refuses to discuss real, moral alternatives to contracepting, where does it leave the nominal Catholics?? I guess they'll be left to suffer the consequences of doing things the "worldly" way.
37 posted on 08/21/2003 8:41:37 PM PDT by GOP_Thug_Mom (ad majorem dei gloriam!)
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To: Maximilian
This strange response from Father Johansen has to be somewhat of a vindication for Michael Rose. From reading his post, this priest is almost as strange as Popcak. It is also a dishonest response.

Every Catholic I have talked to thinks Popcak words are creepy - - not just traditionalists. My mother would likely vomit if I mentioned this to her and she has not been to a Latin Mass in years. As Al pointes out, Rod Dreher's response was "ICK!" Sinkspur similarly sees these comments as un-Catholic and not worth of a defense.

Mark Shea saught to deflect attention from Popcak's strangeness by trying to pin this thing on the traditionalists. Father "Rob" followed suit.

But make no mistake, if I quoted Popcak's comments to all twenty Catholic couples on my block, each and every one of them would laugh in my face. And only half of them even attend Mass on Sunday, not quite radtrads.

38 posted on 08/21/2003 8:45:25 PM PDT by Diago
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