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To: connectthedots
"It obviously escaped you that I was not trying to paint all Calvinists as extremists,"

?????

You most certainly have been doing that very thing from my earliest memories of you on these threads!

It was you, after all, that made the statement:

As you can see from the direct quote above, Palmer most certainly did state that God foreordained sin. You have said you have a copy of his book so you can confirm it for yourself. I think part of the communication problem may be indirectly related to the fact that you did not grow up in a hyper-Calvinist environment and may simply not been exposed to the unBiblical principles it espouses. This is, of course, no fault of your own.
-connectthedots in Post #99 of The Institutes Book 1, Chapter 3 thread

You are here expousing the belief that all who believe that God pre-ordains all sin are "hyper-Calvinists". And, ~all~ Calvinists profess that God pre-ordains all sin.

Therefore, you are expousing the belief that ALL Calvinists are "hyper-Calvinists".

It is also you who claim that "hyper-Calvinism" is "extreme" Calvinism.

So, yes, you ~ARE~ trying to paint all Calvinists as "extremes".

You are also the one who was asking the question:

Would you agree that someone who believes that God foreordained all sin is a hyper-Calvinist?"
-connectthedots in Post #218
of the The Freewill Argument - Atheism scores against Arminianism!?! thread

Since ~ALL~ Calvinists believe that God pre-ordained all sin, what else is this question if it is not a rhetorical question attempting to label ~ALL~ Calvinists as "hyper"/"extreme" Calvinists?????

"but if you insist that all Calvinists believe that God preordained all sins"

~I~ don't insist on anything. It's simply fact. Read the confessions, ctd. I've laid it out clearly to you numerous times.

Calvin professed this belief.

The Calvinist Belgic Confession of 1561 confesses that God forordained/predestined both the Fall and all sin!

The Calvinist Heidelberg Catechismof 1563 confesses that God forordained/predestined both the Fall and all sin!

The Calvinist Westminster Confession of 1647 confesses that God forordained/predestined both the Fall and all sin!

The Calvinist Westminster Longer Confession of 1648 confesses that God forordained/predestined both the Fall and all sin!

The Calvinist Westminster Shorter Confession of 1648 confesses that God forordained/predestined both the Fall and all sin!

The Calvinist Waldensian Confession of 1655 confesses that God forordained/predestined both the Fall and all sin!

The Calvinist Baptist Confession of 1677 confesses that God forordained/predestined both the Fall and all sin!

Read the documents for yourself as to what Calvinism has been professing since it's inception and quit bellyaching!

Jean

617 posted on 08/19/2003 1:24:32 PM PDT by Jean Chauvin
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To: Jean Chauvin
Read my post #609.
622 posted on 08/19/2003 1:35:12 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Jean Chauvin
Thanks for the links. I agree with most of the Belgic,..at least as far as I have read. It is better wordsmithed than many of the positions advocating Calvinism in these threads which have sparked some of my stipulative objections. Thanks again.
683 posted on 08/19/2003 10:14:07 PM PDT by Cvengr (0:^))
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