[P-Marlowe]

It might help for you to study Calvinism before pronouncing what they believe.

I've been studying it for 3 years. Almost universally I am told by the Calvinists and I see in Calvinist writings that Calvinists insist that before a man can exercise faith or believe that he must FIRST be regenerated. (Temporal order-- regeneration before justification). That somehow the regeneration occurs while the man is still in a state of sinfullness and that it occurs prior to his being justified or forgiven-- prior to his exercise of repentance and prior to his justification and prior to his sanctification.

Are you saying that regeneration is not a pre-requisite to belief? Do you have any quotes from prominent Calvinists to support your contention?

[drstevej]

***Almost universally I am told by the Calvinists and I see in Calvinist writings that Calvinists insist that before a man can exercise faith or believe that he must FIRST be regenerated. (Temporal order-- regeneration before justification).***

P-Marlowe the word "first" can be either temporal or logical. I just cited commentary on the Westminster Shorter Catechism denying what you say Calvinists affirm.

Don't play games.