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To: drstevej; xzins; connectthedots
If you can not demonstrate your premise biblically, your point is irrelevant.

Nice dodge. If YOU cannot demonstrate biblically how God can regenerate a man before he believes and repents, then Calvinism is irrelevant.

Is there a separation between God and man because of sin? Is not repentance a pre-requisite for forgiveness? How then can a man be regenerated while he is yet a sinner? Is he forgiven before he repents? Scripture please.

192 posted on 08/16/2003 10:12:04 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Milquetoast Q. Whitebread is alive!)
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To: drstevej
Is there a separation between God and man because of sin? Is not repentance a pre-requisite for forgiveness? How then can a man be regenerated while he is yet a sinner? Is he forgiven before he repents? Scripture please.

Without the grace of regeneration a man can not even see his sin , let alone repent it. He is more than separated from God he is dead to God

Eph 2:1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;

  Eph 2:5   Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) <

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Dead men can not repent . God has to quicken men and lead them top repent. Repentance is a gift

 Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life

2Cr 7:10   For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Godly

theos {theh'-os} TDNT Reference Root Word TDNT - 3:65,322 of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with 3588) the supreme Divinity

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities 2) the Godhead, trinity a) God the Father, the first person in the trinity b) Christ, the second person of the trinity c) Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity 3) spoken of the only and true God a) refers to the things of God b) his counsels, interests, things due to him 4) whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way a) God's representative or viceregent

Sorrow

lupe {loo'-pay} TDNT Reference Root Word TDNT - 4:313,540 apparently a root word

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) sorrow, pain, grief, annoyance, affliction a) of persons mourning

Godly sorrow, sorrow that comes from God, not self generated sorrow . leads to repentance

One can try to self generate repentance , but it will be of no effect

Hbr 12:17   For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

242 posted on 08/16/2003 12:37:02 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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